Posted on 05/15/2010 7:58:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
I recall Tammy Baker did pretty well with the phony tears and she wasn’t a Mormon !
Done what before? Invite a non-Christian speaker? (Yes)
Invite somebody who is by faith somebody who believes in many gods? (No)
Yea can you imagine Beck with all that makeup running down his face?
Wait a minute. What a great idea!
Hey Beck. Get some fake eyelashes and paint on some makeup that runs down your face.
(Jim Jones did)
Does Beck believe in a different Jesus & a different gospel? Yes. Does Gingrich believe in doctrines of men? Yes. Does Stein deny the Messiah has come? Yes.
I don’t distinguish, and apparently Liberty doesn’t discern.
She wasnt a drunk either...
Thanks for the info. Don’t see how Glen Beck would be a problem then. I suppose that there is at least one other speaker who will provide a distictively Christian message or charge top the graduating senors.
So why present an opportunity for the Dims to discredit Patriots even further?
You "challenge" Beck, but don't listen?
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That's because no conservative campus bodies would give Reid a platform to speak.
You know. One where Reid might get up there and say something like: "They are the most anti-Christian people I can imagine, the people from the Christian far right."
Oh wait.
Reid was invited to such a campus.
Reid did make such a comment on such a conservative campus.
And the host university was...(drum roll)
...the same faith as that of Beck:
Reid also told reporters the Republican Party has been driven by evangelical Christians for 20 years. "They are the most anti-Christian people I can imagine, the people from the Christian far right." (Deseret News, Oct. 10, 2007) See Reid Gets Warm Reception at BYU
I guess I was "rash" to have that initial thought shoot unchecked through my brain.
My bad.
At least Beck is honest with his shortcomings. And as for alcohol being a sin. That is a manmade rule which is what is wrong with so much religion today.
Does Beck believe that a man, (Joey Smith) will decide whether he gets into the afterlife ??? Yes. Does Gingrich believe believe that a man, will decide whether he gets into the afterlife ??? No.. Does Stein believe that a man will decide whether he gets into the afterlife ??? No.
Not at all. I just wonder how in-depth his “faith” is in Mormon teaching/doctrine.
But as this all relates to the original article and the bru-haha over the speaker at a commencement event. Did the other guests speakers over the years get this sort of “outrage”? Episcopalians, Roman Catholics, and even non-aligned folks (which could mean a whole lot of things).
I once heard a fellow give a motivational and encouraging speech - he was Hindu. The speech had nothing to do specifically with faith - but with taking on the world. Is my sincere enjoyment of that speech an endorsement of Hinduism?
LIberty didn’t invite Beck to preach from the pulpit, nor to share doctrinal beliefs, but to speak to core conservative values (which are actually common to Mormons and all Bible-believing Christians).
You “challenge” Beck, but don’t listen?
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I dont listen to Obama either...
What ITO does that make me ???
At least Beck is honest with his shortcomings
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But such a person would not need protectinbg by atacking a dead person who has nothing to do with the conversation...
Why did you hide Beck’s so calloed “shortcomings behind Tammy Faye Bakker ???
BTW drinking alcohol is not a small thing in mormonism...
It keeps mrmons out of the temple and therefore out of future godhood asnd from there out of the mormnon afterlife...
Unloess the mormon lies about the imbibing at the temple recommend interview...
What the bishop (and the mormon god) doesnt know doesnt hurt the mormon interviewee...
Does Stein pay 10% of his wages every year to go into an organization that spends millions of dollars online, in publishing, in translating into hundreds the languages, the ideas that...
...Christianity is a false church? (implied; Lds doctrine & covenants 1:30);
...All Christians are "apostates" and spiritual or literal descendents of "apostates"? [standard Mormon doctrine -- no different Muslims who believe Christians are "infidels"];
...ALL (not some) Christian creeds are an "abomination" to his God?; (Pearl of Great Price)
...ALL (not some) Christian professors are "corrupt"? *(Pearl of Great Price)
...that ALL non-"Lamb" churches (those that aren't Mormon) are under the banner of the Church of Satan? (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:9-10)
See, that's the big difference.
If Stein says he adheres to the Old Testament, then that's not offensive to Christians.
If Stein says 10% of his income goes to promote the Old Testament, that's not offensive to Christians.
If Beck says he adheres to his "standard works" of Mormon "scriptures" -- the Doctrine & Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Book of Mormon, then, yes, that's offensive to Christians.
If Beck has 10% of his income going to promote the above, and tithing Mormons do, then yes, that's offensive to Christians.
Exactly, but then their president has been found to be a liar so what else should we expect?
This issue here is a common one in America. Though not distinguished in the dictionary, the typical American distinguishes “ethics” from “morality”, and it is important to understand the distinction.
America was unique in its founding, because it took exception to the European practice of asserting that their nobility was appointed “by God”, to rule. This meant that those who disagreed with the nobility had also committed a religious offense, for which they could be punished.
So though the founding fathers believed in God, they asserted, as was best stated many years later, that ours is a government, “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” While on the surface this seems to reject religious faith, in truth it shows it higher respect to religion, by saying, “We the people wrote these laws, so we the people can change and repeal them, without insulting heaven.”
And this caused a split between morality and ethics, which is the real “separation of church and state.”
In the mind of the typical American, an ethical person, or politician, is one who obeys the written law. The law written by the people.
A moral person is one who obeys the laws of God and heaven.
But the written law is codified, you can look it up to see if it has been broken or not, fairly objectively. Morality, however, is based on what church you attend, and what are your religious beliefs.
This is why typical Americans like ethical politicians. Their saying that they have obeyed the law, and will continue to obey the law, are good references to hold public office.
But when a politician asserts they are moral, there is confusion about what they mean by that. A moral “liberal Episcopalian” does not have the same morality as a moral “conservative Baptist”, nor as that of an Orthodox Jew, a Roman Catholic, a Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist.
Politicians are aware of this ambiguity, and try to hide behind it, calling themselves moral, but not explaining what that means. No doubt such people as Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy would quickly assert that they were “moral Catholics”, though they were neither.
But if you look at their ethics, you leave holding your nose.
So back to Glenn Beck. Though he is a Mormon, and speaking to Baptists, the issue is, is he speaking ethically, or morally?
If he is speaking of ethics, the laws of America, and our shared ethos, the Baptists should not find him objectionable at all, for they likely are in full agreement with 98% of what he says. Objections are not based on his message, or even him as messenger, but as to his faith. This should not matter.
However, if he is to speak of morality, specifically of the Mormon version of morality, with considerable distance from the Baptist version of morality, this they could find objectionable.
But that is not likely. In a manner of speaking, what he has to say, from the Baptist point of view, will be pretty much “preaching to the choir”. “Nihil Obstat”, as the Catholics used to say, “Not Objectionable.”
He subtly pushes his doctrine.. but the issue is this “Christian” college is giving legitimacy to mormonism
Thanks for sharing.
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