Is that like the invisible man?
that is composed of the "called out" ones out"
How does that work? Called out and invisible?
The Roman church did not"give us the NT" The New testament is inspired by the Holy Spirit and was written and compiled before the Roman institution existed . I am a catholic..belonging to the universal church of Christ that is composed of the "called out" ones..We are the invisible church found all around the world , known only to God. We have different churches, different denominations , but are united in Christ, by grace through faith ...
Okay, if your invisible how do you know about all these other churches, seeing only God knows them?
Is that like the invisible man?
that is composed of the "called out" ones out"
How does that work? Called out and invisible?
RnMomof7:
The Catholic Church, of which the Church of Rome, did in fact determine the canon. You are a Protestant, and you are related to the Catholic Church by virture of your Baptism. THe only other Church than can fully claim the fullness of the Early Church is the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Technically, there is no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church, that only applies to one of the 22 “Sui juris” particular Churches, all united and thus fully Catholic by virture of being in communion with the Bishop of Rome, and thus the Church of Rome.
The Holy Spirit did inspire the Apostles to write down sacred Scripture, on that point we agree. However, as to compiling all of what would be the 27 NT books into a single canon [Bible, comes from the Greek meaning books, ie. plural], that was indeed a process that did not start until Marcion, a Gnostic heretic went to “Rome” in 144 AD and demanded that the Church of Rome throw out the entire OT, and only allow 10 works of St. Paul and the Gospel of Luke to be read in the Church’s Liturgy, i.e. its public worship. He was “excommunicated by the Church of Rome in 144 AD”. As such, there was no set definition of the NT canon as many groups argued for Marcion’s canon, others wanted works like the Gospels of Thomas, Judas, Peter, etc, all Gnostic influenced, and thus by the time of St. Irenaus of Lyon, we have the first written evidence that the orthodox view is that only 4 Gospels are canonical, MT, MK, LK, and John, and this same St. Irenaus clearly stated that all the Churches in the world should agree with the “Church of Rome” because of its “preminent authority”, and this was written in circa 170 AD.
During the 3rd century and early 4th century, we see various developments of the Canon in the writings of Origen reflecting the view of Alexandria, St. Cyprian of Carthage, reflecting the Roman/Latin Tradition, and Eusebious reflecting the Alexandrian tradition in the early 4th century, but also perhaps the Antiochian tradition. None of the Canonical listings totally agreed as for example, St. Cyprians canon listing reflected doubt about Hebrews [Rome questioned it well until the 4th century], Jude, and James, and even 2 Peter was somewhat question, although he tended to favor it.
In Origen’s canon, circa 240-250 AD, he admits the in the CHurch, the following writings were contested: Hebrews, II Peter, II and III John, James, Jude, Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, and the Didache. From what I have read, Origen accepted all of the contested books as canonical and since they were contested, it is obvious that many in the Church at the time viewed them as canonical as well.
Regardless, the historical evidence shows, despite your protests to the contrary, that the 27 book NT canon was not formally and universally fixed in the early 4th century. It would become fixed in its 27 book form in the later half of the 4th century and the Church of Rome in that period, as it had been in the 2nd century when it rejected Marcion’s canon, was in the end the decisive factor in setting the 27 book NT.
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