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To: betty boop; allmendream; DrewsMum; metmom
Thank you so very much for your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder is standing on the shoulders of a giant:

"People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Albert Einstein

And there are many other physicists (Vafa, Wesson, Tegmark, et al) who focus on the geometry of space/time - some of them proposing there are more than one dimension of time. In such models, time is either a plane or volume, the arrow of time is an illusion to an observer on a worldline in space/time. Past, present and future exist concurrently.

Tegmark's metaphor of the frog and bird in his Level IV Parallel Universe makes the point very well (formatted for easier reading:)

A mathematical structure is an abstract, immutable entity existing outside of space and time. If history were a movie, the structure would correspond not to a single frame of it but to the entire videotape.

Consider, for example, a world made up of pointlike particles moving around in three-dimensional space. In four-dimensional spacetime — the bird perspective — these particle trajectories resemble a tangle of spaghetti.

If the frog sees a particle moving with constant velocity, the bird sees a straight strand of uncooked spaghetti. If the frog sees a pair of orbiting particles, the bird sees two spaghetti strands intertwined like a double helix.

To the frog, the world is described by Newton’s laws of motion and gravitation. To the bird, it is described by the geometry of the pasta — a mathematical structure. The frog itself is merely a thick bundle of pasta, whose highly complex intertwining corresponds to a cluster of particles that store and process information.

Our universe is far more complicated than this example, and scientists do not yet know to what, if any, mathematical structure it corresponds.

Tegmark, Max, “Parallel Universes,” Scientific American, May, 2003

The frog cannot see what the bird sees. He is an observer "in" space/time. He cannot see the beginning and end of every thing or how it fits together.

Moreover, the Bible does not purport to be a textbook in physics.

Indeed, Creation week is described by God in roughly forty statements whereas libraries are filled to the rafters with books on mathematics, physics and physical cosmology.

The words of God must be spiritually discerned.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:13-14

God's Name is I AM.

595 posted on 05/17/2010 9:31:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Placemarker ... God made us to operate via data received, thus we are oriented to the past, albeit recent past most of the time, but oriented to the past events we sense. There are episodes int he Bible which indicate that our sensing of the where/when of our universe is not even near complete, like the being who stood in one where/when while reaching over into the party central of the King in Babylon, to write a judgment on the wall; the being was in one where/when while the hand reached ‘back’/’over/into the where/when of Belshazzar [Daniel Chptr5]. And that is but one episode of several in the Bible pages! The Resurrection itself is an astonishing example of another connection to an existing where/when we cannot sense in our present state. BUT, God has promised His family will, eventually.


598 posted on 05/17/2010 9:43:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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