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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; DrewsMum
But one either thinks that reality trumps interpretation of physical reality via Scripture, or one thinks their interpretation of physical reality via Scripture trumps actual reality.

The "one" who thinks this evidently has an unexamined presupposition at work: That reality (including physical reality) and Scripture are mutually exclusive in some fundamental way: Thus under the law of the excluded middle, one must trump the other with regard to questions of truth.

But to me this supposition makes no sense. For both reality and Scripture are grounded in God's Truth. Both have the same source, the Logos, the Word of the Beginning.

[BTW, Logos — meaning word, story, truth depending on context — is the Greek word from which the English word logic derives.]

Thus my presupposition — but at least I'm clearly aware of it as such. It is based on faith — as anyone's basic presupposition arguably must be.

Because of their common root in the Logos, I do not expect to see any sort of mutually exclusive relation between revelations by nature (i.e., physical reality, as explored by the natural sciences) and revelation by God's Holy Word (i.e., Holy Scripture). Rather I see correspondence and complementarity in their relations. I haven't seen "stark contrasts" between the two, but see them as shedding light on each other. Scientific progress has falsified nothing in Holy Scripture. Plus my own thinking is strongly influenced by Natural Law theory, which posits the universal correspondence between the world of reality and the world of the human mind. [Which is what makes the world "knowable" in the first place.]

The point is, we can probably chalk up the stark differences in the way we respectively view such things, allmendream, to the "observer problem" that Alamo-Girl elaborates here. The present remarks extend her insights to the specific problem of different cognitive biases that people have, which make a huge difference in the definition of basic problems, the selection of qualified evidence, and how one analyzes it.

In a nutshell, we observers tend to see what we're looking for, and tend to remain blind about all else. Only a thinker aware of this problem can work to overcome it.

This partiality of view (in a double sense), of course, is the serious danger in making any man the "measure" of anything.

Particularly in view of the tremendous insight of Einstein's Relativity theory — still regarded as theoretical by some — that the laws of the universe are the same for all observers, regardless of the spatio-temporal positions they occupy that determine their respective points of view.

I do believe that, in the broadest sense, Einstein's insight applies to the problem we're dealing with here.

512 posted on 05/17/2010 11:51:50 AM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: betty boop
My quite well examined presupposition at work here is that reality and the truth of Scripture cannot be at odds.

Where I and Creationists differ is on what to do when observed reality and scriptural INTERPRETATION differ. The Creationist assumes that it is reality that must give way to their particular Scriptural interpretation. I, as a scientist and a Christian, am inclined to assume that it is the interpretation of Scripture that is in error.

If one interprets “And HE set the foundations of the Earth so that it should not be moved, forever” to mean that the Earth doesn't move; it is not Scripture that is in error (because the Earth does indeed move), it is that interpretation of Scripture that insists that the Earth is immobile that is in error.

Thus we see how a fundamentalist literalist ‘my interpretation is “God's Word”’ mindset leads to the intellectual suicide of Creationism.

515 posted on 05/17/2010 12:05:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: betty boop
Do you know that every morning I thank God for you?

Many days I scroll around and find something upon which I can make an observation from my hyper-techie perspective and just trust that you will come along and put it all in context to which I can say nothing but again, thank you dearest sister in Christ for sharing your insights!

516 posted on 05/17/2010 12:10:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; allmendream; Alamo-Girl

Use as big of words as you want to try to throw people off...

Sheesh....why not say it in plain everyday language...the big words are not impressive...it’s like you are trying to disguise everything....no, I’m not an idiot that doesn’t understand...it’s just frustrating when people do that....I know those kind...they think it throw people off the argument...

plain and simple....the Bible says that WE are to STUDY to show OURSELVES approved...RIGHTLY dividing the Word...

the Bible also says that ONLY the SPIRIT FILLED can read and understand the Word of God fully...

I am spirit filled and I know how to read...therefore, I should be able to RIGHTLY divide the word of God...without my own private interpretation...if I choose to distort the word of God to fit my own agenda, then I will answer for it.

In the end we will be judged by WORD...NOT by what someone told us....

Work out your own salvation is what the Bible says....

Don’t try to make it sooooo hard on yourselves and everyone else...Jesus spoke in simple parables/terms....so that even a child could understand....why would His Word be any different????


522 posted on 05/17/2010 12:38:43 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Somebody please put the Constitution on his teleprompter....)
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