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To: Al Hitan; Quix; boatbums; metmom; Chaguito; NYer; markomalley; Mad Dawg
Surely you aren't using those fine verses of Scripture to justify the claim that the Church had nothing to do with Scripture or the preservation of it? or that God could choose to use the Church to preserve His word?

Are you providing affirmation of the "insight" that belief in such a use of the Church by God is "a lie from the pit of hell"?

My point is that the Catholic Church, like Israel before them, should give God the glory for the preservation of His own words.

The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. – Psalms 12:6-7

That He chose to use a Moses or a David or a John or a Peter or a Paul or some uncelebrated scribe or clerk should not be the main point.

After all, there is only One Great Commandment.

Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying, Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.

And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. – Matthew 22:35-40

If we don't get that right, everything else we do is in vain. Literally.

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. – Revelation 2:1-5

To God be the glory, not man, never man!

298 posted on 05/16/2010 8:57:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
My point is that the Catholic Church, like Israel before them, should give God the glory for the preservation of His own words.

You seem to making the point that "giving glory" to His Church, of which Christ is the head, is taking glory away from Him. The Church is His body. Giving glory to His Church is giving glory to Him. You don't believe that?

I've posted on a number of religion websites, and rarely have I been accused of perpetuating a "lie from the pit of hell" other than by a Calvinist or two. You thanked a poster for his insight, one of which was belief that God could use His Church to preserve Scripture is a "lie from the pit of hell". It is noted that you didn't distance yourself from that "insight".

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. John 17:22-23

308 posted on 05/16/2010 10:02:53 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Alamo-Girl

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

NOT MAN. NEVER MAN.

And groups are usually worse at it than individuals.


344 posted on 05/16/2010 1:53:24 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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