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Avoid Intellectual Suicide: Do Not Interpret the Bible Like a Fundamentalist
Vox Nova ^ | May 14,2 010 | Henry Karlson

Posted on 05/14/2010 11:03:45 AM PDT by NYer

Holy Scripture, despite all appearances, will not always be easy to interpret. We can be lulled into thinking our “common sense” and “by the letter” interpretation of a text is what God intends us to get out of it. However, if this is the case, there would be little to no debates about its meaning; there would be little confusion as to its purpose and how it applies to us today. St. Peter would not have needed to tell us that no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted privately, because all interpretations of Scripture would end up the same. We need to understand and heed the warning of St. Mark the Ascetic: “Do not let your heart become conceited about your interpretations of Scripture, lest your intellect fall afoul for the spirit of blasphemy.” [1] Why would he be warning us of this? Because Scripture, in its most external, simplistic level, could easily lead people to a perverted understanding of God and the Christian faith.

For an interpretation of Scripture to be acceptable (which does not mean it is necessarily correct), it must at least conform to the basic dogmatic teachings of the Church. If God is love, this must be manifest from one’s understanding of Scripture. If one’s interpretation of a text would lead to God doing or commanding something which runs against the law of love, the law by which God himself acts, then one has indeed committed blasphemy. If one really believes God commands some intrinsic evil, such as genocide, one has abandoned the God who is love, and has at least committed unintentional blasphemy by something evil about him. One cannot get out of this by saying, “whatever God wills, is now good,” or that “the very nature of right and wrong has changed through time,” because both would contradict not only the fundamental character of love, but also the fact God has provided us a positive means by which we can understand something of him via analogy; we know what love is, we know what the good is, and therefore we know something about God when we see he is love or that he is good. While we must understand our concepts are limited in relation to God, it is not because God is less than our concepts, but more and their foundation. Thus, Pope Benedict wisely says:

In contrast with the so-called intellectualism of Augustine and Thomas, there arose with Duns Scotus a voluntarism which, in its later developments, led to the claim that we can only know God’s voluntas ordinata. Beyond this is the realm of God’s freedom, in virtue of which he could have done the opposite of everything he has actually done. This gives rise to positions which clearly approach those of Ibn Hazm and might even lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God’s transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions. As opposed to this, the faith of the Church has always insisted that between God and us, between his eternal Creator Spirit and our created reason there exists a real analogy, in which – as the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 stated – unlikeness remains infinitely greater than likeness, yet not to the point of abolishing analogy and its language. God does not become more divine when we push him away from us in a sheer, impenetrable voluntarism; rather, the truly divine God is the God who has revealed himself as logos and, as logos, has acted and continues to act lovingly on our behalf. Certainly, love, as Saint Paul says, “transcends” knowledge and is thereby capable of perceiving more than thought alone (cf. Eph 3:19); nonetheless it continues to be love of the God who is Logos. Consequently, Christian worship is, again to quote Paul – “λογικη λατρεία”, worship in harmony with the eternal Word and with our reason (cf. Rom 12:1).[2]

Christianity affirms both the transcendence and immanence of God. The second allows us to say something positive and true about God, while the first reminds us that positive assertions are limited, that they are at best analogous pointers to something beyond the statements themselves. Our teachings truly say something about God. They must be used as the guideline by which we read Scripture. Moreover, as the Church makes abundantly clear, Scripture is itself an ecclesial document, to be interpreted in and by the Church. It must be interpreted in such a way that dogmatic teachings about God (such as his unchanging goodness) are in accord with our understanding of Scriptural text. If reason suggests a disconnect between an interpretation and dogma, we must follow dogma and dismiss the interpretation. Richard Gaillardetz explains this well:

The apostolic witness would be preserved both in the canonical Scriptures and in the ongoing paradosis or handing on of the apostolic faith in the Christian community. The unity of Scripture and tradition is grounded then in the one word whose presence in human history comes to its unsurpassable actualization in Jesus Christ. Scripture and tradition must be viewed as interrelated witnesses to that word. Furthermore, neither Scripture nor tradition can be separated from the Church. The unity of Scripture, tradition and the living communion of the Church itself is fundamental.[3]

Revelation, therefore, is centered upon Jesus Christ – and through Christ, the whole of the Holy Trinity:

The principal purpose to which the plan of the old covenant was directed was to prepare for the coming of Christ, the redeemer of all and of the messianic kingdom, to announce this coming by prophecy (see Luke 24:44; John 5:39; 1 Peter 1:10), and to indicate its meaning through various types (see 1 Cor. 10:12). Now the books of the Old Testament, in accordance with the state of mankind before the time of salvation established by Christ, reveal to all men the knowledge of God and of man and the ways in which God, just and merciful, deals with men. These books, though they also contain some things which are incomplete and temporary, nevertheless show us true divine pedagogy.[4]

If the vision of God that one gets out of Scripture is not one which reveals his justice and mercy, the reader of the text has missed something about the text itself. Perhaps the mistake lies in their interpretive scheme, where they assume the text follows the contours of modern historical writings. This is not the case; indeed Christians since the beginning of Church history have understood a very different scheme for the Biblical text: one which presents a kind of history but uses that history to present a deeper, more fundamental understanding of the world. Texts which are seen as impossible, if interpreted as history, nonetheless must be accepted, not because they are historical, but because they reveal something theological. St. Neilos the Ascetic, for example, takes 2 Samuel 4:5-8[5] as being historically absurd. This, he thinks, should be obvious. But if this is the case, does it make the text meaningless? By no means:

It is clear that this story in Scripture should not be taken literally. For how could a king have a woman as door-keeper, when he ought properly to be guarded by a troop of soldiers, and to have round him a large body of attendants? Or how could he be so poor as to use her to winnow the wheat? But improbable details are often included in a story because of the deeper truths they signify. Thus the intellect in each of us resides within like a king, while the reason acts as door-keeper of the senses. When the reason occupies itself with bodily things – and to winnow wheat is something bodily – he enemy without difficulty slips past unnoticed and slays the intellect.[6]

This scheme was in accord with what Origen taught. Indeed, he believed that the writers were inspired to put in statements which were absurd so as to remind us not to take the text so simply, but to look for the deeper, spiritual nourishment we can get from them, even for those texts which also have a real historical basis:

But since, if the usefulness of the legislation, and the sequence and beauty of the history, were universally evident of itself, we should not believe that any other thing could be understood in the Scriptures save what was obvious, the word of God has arranged that certain stumbling-blocks, as it were, and offenses, and impossibili­ties, should be introduced into the midst of the law and the history, in order that we may not, through being drawn away in all directions by the merely attractive na­ture of the language, either altogether fall away from the (true) doctrines, as learn­ing nothing worthy of God, or, by not departing from the letter, come to the knowledge of nothing more divine. And this also we must know, that the principal aim being to announce the spiritual connection in those things that are done, and that ought to be done, where the Word found that things done according to the history could be adapted to these mystical senses, He made use of them, concealing from the multitude the deeper meaning; but where, in the narrative of the develop­ment of super-sensual things, there did not follow the performance of those certain events, which was already indicated by the mystical meaning, the Scripture interwove in the history (the account of) some event that did not take place, sometimes what could not have happened; sometimes what could, but did not. And sometimes a few words are interpolated which are not true in their literal acceptation, and sometimes a larger number.[7]

Scripture, of course, was written by various people. While they were inspired by God to write what they wrote, and God inspired the Church to collect the texts it did, in the form it did, we must also understand that the people behind the texts are not mere puppets being forced by God to write as they did. Thus, when patristic authors, or the Church, asserts God as the author of the text, we must not take this as fundamentalists do, but rather recognize that God works with authors based upon their ability and through their cooperation with his intended purposes: “The fathers look upon the Bible above all as the Book of God, the single work of a single author. This does not mean, however, that they reduce the human authors to nothing more than passive instruments; they are quite capable, also, of according to a particular book its own specific purpose.”[8] Indeed, God can inspires people to reveal something about him without their knowing of it, or knowing the meaning behind their words, as St Edith Stein masterfully explains:

Must the inspired person who is the instrument of a divine revelation be aware of the fact? Must he know that he has been illuminated, must he himself have received a revelation? We may well imagine cases where none of this is true. It is not impossible that someone utter a revelation without realizing it, without having received a revelation from God, without even being aware that he is speaking in God’s name or feeling supported by God’s Spirit in what he says and how he says it. He may think he is only voicing his own insight and in the words of his choosing.

Thus Caiphas says in the Sanhedrin : ‘You know nothing and do not consider that it is better for you that one man die for the people and not the whole people parish.’ And John adds: ‘but his he said not of himself but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the people…’ Hence Caiphas spoke in God’s name and followed divine instructions without either knowing it or wishing to do so. John, however, knows that Caiphas was speaking God’s word and perhaps that he was himself enlightened by God as he wrote this. Does John know the prophetic meaning of Caiphas’ words through a revelation accorded him? Quite possibly. But it may also be that the fulfillment of those words in the death of Jesus and John’s view of the overall work of salvation made him realize their prophetic nature.[9]

Now this is not to say it is the norm, nor common, but, as we see, a person inspired by God does not have to understand the meaning of their words, nor that they are actually saying something that will be collected together as being inspired by God. The intention of God as the inspired author of Scripture does not have to be one with the intended meaning of the human author, and indeed, could be one which runs contrary to what such a human might have thought (as, for example, we find in the case of Jonah).

Thus, it is important to discuss inspiration, but as the Pontifical Biblical Commission warns us, we must not follow the simplistic interpretation found within fundamentalism:

Fundamentalism is right to insist on the divine inspiration of the Bible, the inerrancy of the word of God and other biblical truths included in its five fundamental points. But its way of presenting these truths is rooted in an ideology which is not biblical, whatever the proponents of this approach might say. For it demands an unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes, as the only source of teaching for Christian life and salvation, a reading of the Bible which rejects all questioning and any kind of critical research.[10]

And, it is especially when people take the Bible as history where this becomes the problem. “Fundamentalism also places undue stress upon the inerrancy of certain details in the biblical texts, especially in what concerns historical events or supposedly scientific truth.”[11] It creates a false, blasphemous view of God through its simplistic understanding of the text, and demand adherence to that simplistic view, with the explanation that if one denies this scheme, one must reject Scripture itself. There is no basis by which one can understand the deeper, spiritual value of revelation. And it is for this reason it ends up creating an evil-looking God, and promotes the acceptance of intrinsic evils such as racism or genocide as being good if and when God commanded them. “Fundamentalism likewise tends to adopt very narrow points of view. It accepts the literal reality of an ancient, out-of-date cosmology simply because it is found expressed in the Bible; this blocks any dialogue with a broader way of seeing the relationship between culture and faith. Its relying upon a non-critical reading of certain texts of the Bible serves to reinforce political ideas and social attitudes that are marked by prejudices—racism, for example—quite contrary to the Christian Gospel.”[12] While simple, it is this simplicity which leads to a letter that kills, because it requires a denial of reason when engaging the faith, and leading to “intellectual suicide”:

The fundamentalist approach is dangerous, for it is attractive to people who look to the Bible for ready answers to the problems of life. It can deceive these people, offering them interpretations that are pious but illusory, instead of telling them that the Bible does not necessarily contain an immediate answer to each and every problem. Without saying as much in so many words, fundamentalism actually invites people to a kind of intellectual suicide. It injects into life a false certitude, for it unwittingly confuses the divine substance of the biblical message with what are in fact its human limitations.[13]

No wonder St Mark the Ascetic warned us to be careful when we interpreted Scripture. He understood how people would confuse the human side of Scripture with its divine meaning, and how that would end up creating a false, humanly constructed, image of God. A God presented in the image of fallen humanity can only be a monster, the monster which we see proclaimed by fundamentalists the world over.

Footnotes

[1] Mark the Monk, “On the Spiritual Law” in Counsels on the Spiritual Life. Trans. Tim Vivian and Augustine Casiday (Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir’s Seminary Press, 2009), 93.

[2] Pope Benedict, Regensburg Lecture, Sept 12, 2006.

[3] Richard R. Gaillardetz, Teaching with Authority: A Theology of the Magisterium of the Church (Collegeville, MN: The Liturgical Press, 1997), 84.

[4] Dei Verbum 15 (Vatican Translation).

[5]“ Now the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, Rechab and Baanah, set out, and about the heat of the day they came to the house of Ishbosheth, as he was taking his noonday rest. And behold, the doorkeeper of the house had been cleaning wheat, but she grew drowsy and slept; so Rechab and Baanah his brother slipped in. When they came into the house, as he lay on his bed in his bedchamber, they smote him, and slew him, and beheaded him. They took his head, and went by the way of the Arabah all night, and brought the head of Ishbosheth to David at Hebron. And they said to the king, ‘Here is the head of Ishbosheth, the son of Saul, your enemy, who sought your life; the LORD has avenged my lord the king this day on Saul and on his offspring’” (2 Sam 4:5-8 RSV).

[6] St Neilos the Ascetic, “Ascetic Discourse” in The Philokalia. Volume I. Trans. And ed. By G.E.H. Palmer, Philip Sherrard and Kallistos Ware (London: Faber and Faber, 1983), 210.

[7] Origen, “On First Principles” in ANF(4), 364.

[8] Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church (March 18, 1994), III-B.2

[9] St Edith Stein, “Ways to know God” in Knowledge and Faith. Trans. Walter Redmond (Washington, DC: ICS Publications, 2000), 103.

[10] Pontifical Biblical Commission, The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church, I-F.

[11] Ibid.

[12] Ibid.

[13] Ibid.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; History; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: apologetics; bible; catholic; fundamentalist; religiousleft; religiousright; scripture; seminary
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To: betty boop
Then either you do not understand God's Word, His eternal Will and Truth; or you simply refuse to be bound by it. For a flat-out, straightforward, plain-language command of God — "thou shalt not murder" — is really not something subject to much "interpretation."

That's true for a vast majority of what is in God's Word.

While it is true that some passages may have more than one point, teaching a spiritual lessons in addition to the natural ones, like parables, they are never going to be contradictory.

Truth is truth.

661 posted on 05/18/2010 1:25:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
While it is true that some passages may have more than one point, teaching a spiritual lessons in addition to the natural ones, like parables, they are never going to be contradictory. Truth is truth.

Amen to that, dear sister in Christ!

Thank you so much for your excellent insights!

662 posted on 05/18/2010 1:44:00 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: allmendream; Iscool; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; delacoert; DrewsMum; YHAOS; ...
And here we come to the crux of why creationism is intellectual suicide.

It's only intellectual suicide if someone were to take a completely literalist word for word reading of entire Bible, which no one in the world does.

You have been told that time and again, and you choose to ignore it time and again and continue to paint anyone who takes God at His Word instead of taking the word of subjective, for the most part, secular, spiritually dead men, in that light.

YOU do not have a corner on the market of how to interpret the Bible either, you know. What makes you so special that you think you can demand certain definitions of words and certain frames of reference by which Scripture must be interpreted, lump them into one category, and to then pass judgment on the intellectual capabilities of those who disagree with you?

663 posted on 05/18/2010 1:47:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream
Where we differ I suppose is on the utility of apologetics and whether it is science or scriptural interpretation that should give way when there is a perceived conflict.

It's a pretty sad commentary on your spiritual state when you demand that Scripture give way to science.

664 posted on 05/18/2010 1:49:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: NYer

Wow, an article on theology written by an idiot!

Am I surprised?


665 posted on 05/18/2010 1:53:03 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; DrewsMum; delacoert; allmendream; metmom
As in the Madonna example, people have certainly misrepresented or misappropriated the words of God. But they cannot destroy them because He preserves them Himself.

YES!!! With you, dearest sister in Christ, I testify to this also!

To God be the glory — as it was in the beginning, is now and forever shall be!

Thank you ever so much for writing, dearest sister!

666 posted on 05/18/2010 1:53:18 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: metmom
It is a pretty sad commentary on your intellectual and spiritual state when you pridefully demand that your interpretation of Scripture must be true even in the face of the reproducible evidence to the contrary that God has provided.

Your interpretation of Scripture is not the same as Scripture itself.

The interpretation of Scripture that demanded a young Earth or that demanded a central and immobile Earth has given way, among the vast majority of Christians, in light of the knowledge of the physical world that science provides, to a more accurate interpretation that Scripture doesn't demand a young or central or immobile Earth.

Do you think that Christians are diminished in their spiritual state by doing so?

667 posted on 05/18/2010 1:58:19 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: metmom; allmendream; Iscool; Alamo-Girl; delacoert; DrewsMum; YHAOS
YOU do not have a corner on the market of how to interpret the Bible either, you know. What makes you so special that you think you can demand certain definitions of words and certain frames of reference by which Scripture must be interpreted, lump them into one category, and to then pass judgment on the intellectual capabilities of those who disagree with you?

YIKES!!! That indeed would be a really stinky way to proceed.... At least for one on an honest search for God's truth. Given such presuppositions, one would be "lost" before even starting on the quest....

allmendream seems fairly preoccupied with the subject of "intellectual suicide." He seems to view it as a "creationist thing." But has he noticed that this phenomenon is ever so much more the inevitable result of atheist thinking?

Compared to the atheist, one would think that allmendream would prefer the company of Christians. But his mind appears to be rather unsettled in that regard.

Thank you so very much, dear sister in Christ, for your astute observations!

668 posted on 05/18/2010 2:04:06 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: Elsie

all I’m hearing is a sounding gong and tinkling cymbel.


669 posted on 05/18/2010 2:06:31 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: betty boop
Perhaps you might notice the title of the thread betty boop?

Everyone who disagrees with you is not an atheist, although that seems to be one of your favorite tactics to paint any and all opposition as atheism.

An atheist commits spiritual suicide, it is not the same barrier to intellectual progress that a creationist commits themselves to when they insist that their interpretation is “God's teaching” and anything that contradicts it, including reproducibly observed reality is just “man's teaching”.

Your idea of what I prefer as far as company is as outlandish and off base and ludicrous as most of your other pronouncements, and based upon the same thing - abject ignorance and your own wishful thinking.

670 posted on 05/18/2010 2:12:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

I am confused...sorry....do you not believe in creation?


671 posted on 05/18/2010 2:38:33 PM PDT by DrewsMum (Somebody please put the Constitution on his teleprompter....)
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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; metmom; Iscool; delacoert; DrewsMum; YHAOS
An atheist commits spiritual suicide, it is not the same barrier to intellectual progress that a creationist commits themselves to when they insist that their interpretation is “God's teaching” and anything that contradicts it, including reproducibly observed reality is just “man's teaching”.

Not just atheists, but any person commits "intellectual suicide" when they deny that all truthful human knowledge absolutely and ultimately depends on the root ("ratio") of divine truth on which human nous, reason, logic themselves absolutely depend for their own truthful operations — that is, such operations utterly depend on the divine, eternal Logos of GOD.

This Logos reigns not only over the kingdom of material nature, but of the kingdom of human reason as well — and provides the only means by which humans can truthfully understand, among other things, material nature itself.

I'm sorry you find my "pronouncements" to be "outlandish" and "off-base."

But — what other "base" would you propose as an alternative to the Logos of God?

I mean, if God's truth doesn't do it for you, then what does?

672 posted on 05/18/2010 2:44:00 PM PDT by betty boop (Nil desperandum.)
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To: betty boop; metmom; allmendream; Iscool; Alamo-Girl; delacoert; DrewsMum
From your remarks, I take it, Dear betty, that you characterize allmendream as a Progressive. Demanding of preferential treatment, insistence on the rightness (indeed the righteous) of their understanding of every aspect of everyone's Christianity, and intolerance of anyone's understanding contrary to their own.

In a word: Elitist.

673 posted on 05/18/2010 2:48:21 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: DrewsMum

I believe that God created everything. I do not insist that God had to use supernatural means to do so. When the Bible says that God created our Sun, I do not assume that any other mechanism besides gravity and nuclear fusion was necessary for that creation. I think that stars forming right now as we speak via gravity and nuclear fusion as just as much created by God as our own Sun. But let us not get all Humpty Dumpty. This is an old and tired argument that creationists trot out when they know they have nothing smart to say on the subject. cre·a·tion·ism Pronunciation: \-shÉ™-ËŒni-zÉ™m\ Function: noun Date: 1880 : a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis — compare evolution 4b Now according to that, the most commonly accepted definition, the one that everyone understands when they hear the word “creationist”, also is defined by what it is not. Thus a creationist is someone who is opposed to the theory of evolution through natural selection of genetic variation. I am not so opposed. I am not a creationist. Play Humpty Dumpty all you want. We all know what a creationist is, and you all perfectly understand me when I say the word creationist. I know some of you are not really playing, but do you really need to play dumb?


674 posted on 05/18/2010 2:48:50 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Iscool
And of course the best one is still; where is the command for your religion to get Jesus' body into a piece of bread, and where are the instructions on how to do such???

It only happens AFTER you eat it, dontcha know? That way nobody can disprove it.

675 posted on 05/18/2010 2:49:30 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: YHAOS
Talk about inventing definitions to words.

I am not by any means a progressive, I do not demand preferential treatment, nor insist upon the rightness of my understanding of Christianity.

I propose that a system whereby one allows their knowledge of the reality that God created to influence their interpretation of scripture is superior in philosophy and results to one in which the favored interpretation is deemed “God's teaching” and anything contrary is just “man's teaching”.

The subject of this thread is intellectual suicide, and I propose that such a dead end is committing intellectual suicide because then your ‘knowledge’ becomes a dead thing.

Thus we see why creationism is such a dead end, that produces nothing of any value.

Science is intellectually live and robust, it produces information and products of inestimable value.

676 posted on 05/18/2010 2:53:46 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Didn’t the Church, who’s supposed to be guiding us in accurate scriptural interpretation, eventually agree that the earth wasn’t flat? :-)


677 posted on 05/18/2010 2:56:05 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: allmendream; Iscool; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...

At one time the FINAL WORD of scientific consensus was that the steady state model of the universe was the correct one, that the universe had no beginning. So pervasive was this mindset, that when Einstein did his relativity calculations and they showed that the universe had a beginning, he added a *cosmologic constant* to the equations to make them show no beginning. He manipulated the data to fit the theory.

The only ones who had cause to believe that the universe had a beginning were those *ignorant creationists* who took God at His word in His Word. The Bible starts with *In the beginning.....*, not a popular concept with scientists in those days.

It wasn’t until Hubble’s observations on red shift confirmed Einstein’s equations that Einstein was forced to remove the cosmologic constant and admit that the universe did indeed have a beginning, just s the Bible has stated all along.

It’s not so different these days either, what with all the frauds in evolutionary science, trying to make the connection between man and apes incontrovertible.

This is what we get when we choose to put science ahead of Scripture. Dishonest dealings in their desire to eliminate God from the picture and clearly nothing has changed mush over he last 100 years or so.

And we should trust scientists why?


678 posted on 05/18/2010 3:04:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream; betty boop
Everyone who disagrees with you is not an atheist, although that seems to be one of your favorite tactics to paint any and all opposition as atheism.

Everyone who disagrees with you is not an atheist idiot, although that seems to be one of your favorite tactics to paint any and all opposition as atheism idiots.

679 posted on 05/18/2010 3:12:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: YHAOS

Wouldn’t this be making it about the individual?


680 posted on 05/18/2010 3:54:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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