Posted on 05/14/2010 11:03:45 AM PDT by NYer
Like I said, you guys have to alter and pervert the scripture to make it meaningful to you...God says He WAS manifest in the flesh, NOT IS...And then in the context, He goes on to say, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
So your religion says God is talking about you, eh???
If you believed what God said, you coudn't be a Catholic...
I'm still waiting to hear why or how the Catholic Church wrote the book that condemns the Catholic Church...
Jesus said He wouldn't be with you after the end of the age...You don't believe it??? That's not the scripture's problem, it's yours...
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the Lord will not be with us after the end of the age? Where will he be?
That is the end of the 'church' age...The statment was spoken to Jews...
When the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, the church will head to heaven for the wedding to the Groom...The Holy Spirit leaves the earth as well...Who's still here???
Unsaved Gentiles and unsaved Jews...They will have only the scripture and the two witnesses spoken of in the book of Revelation to spread God's word...They'll have 7 years to reject the mark of the beast and 'turn to God'...And then Jesus returns...
I would guess you won't believe that either but hey, God warned you when He said he would be with you til the end of the age...
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28.20 AV)
Here is my problem. Who is he talking to? It seems to me that he is talking to believers here. He is obviously not promising the atheist or whatever that he will be with them. And, if he is talking to people of faith then why would he no longer be with them at the consummation of the world? If the church will head to heaven for the wedding to the Groom, as you have posited, then isn't it fair to ask if the Groom will still be with them? Even if I accept your interpretation I can't see how it changes the problem of Christ promising to be with his church until the end of the world, when he will still be with the Church after the end of the world. And so the problem of until persists.
Thanks BD...Another “keeper”.
I read you post, you accused the poster of idolatry or as you put it "maryolotry". Clearly you know their heart if you are able to discern worship from veneration. Calling an attack an ad hominem simply because it cuts a little to close to the bone is Weak. Man up, retract your retract your judgment or produce the post where the the poster in question admits to elevating Our Lady to the position of a deity.
Semper Fi.
ROTFLMAO!!!
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The very first paragraph sounds to be written by one who had already committed intellectual suicide.
If it were possible for God to be surprised, It could easily be due to Iscool being rendered "almost speechless".
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Those claiming one clear interpretation for scripture disagree on what that interpretation is, hence their different beliefs and doctrines and churches - or no churches.
Which proves the basic point of this article.
UriÂ’el-2012 will certainly defend himself (he has no need of me), but I will be happy to proclaim, with a thunderous voice:
UriÂ’el-2012 is no Roman apologist... He is the farthest thing from it.
Well, not exactly. They rejected the councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon. That's what certifies them as heretics.
I think it right to say that when the Son became incarnate, He held nothing back. From zygote to corpse, He was fully invested in the human condition, and His love for us was so great that He spent himself utterly and without reserve for our redemption.
The Arians say that God so loved the world that He said to one of His creatures, "Hey, you, go die for the humans."
The Nestorians say God so loved the world that He dipped His toe into our condition.
The Catholics say that God so fully and unreservedly loved the world that he threw Himself as entirely as possible into creation to redeem us.
For me, I will not speak for others, to call our Lady "Mother of God" is to proclaim with joy and gratitude the wonder and mystery of a God who becomes part of what He has made.
Why is it so important to Catholics that Mary had always remained a virgin? What difference would it have made if she hadn’t?
This is one of the many issues that I had with the catholic church that caused me to leave it. I still have not gotten a good answer to this question. I was even told once that Romans 3:23 “for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” did not include Mary as part of the “all”. I have noticed that for all of the posts you have gotten in response to the brothers and sisters question, nobody wants to attempt to answer this part of the post.
God bless
I don’t understand the connection you seem to be drawing between the loss of virginity and sin. Or am I missing your point?
Virginity, NOT engaging in sexual intercourse, is eschatological. Most of us live as children of this age, or with one foot in this age and the other in the next. And certainly God’s grace makes matrimony a powerful vehicle of His grace.
But in heaven they do not marry nor are they given in marriage for they are like the angels (in that respect).
Mary is a figure representing the breaking into the “here and now” of God’s Kingdom. As we will be sinless in heaven, she is sinless “now.” As we will enjoy royal rank and honor in heaven, she is Queen now. As we will, on the last day, be united with our bodies so that the mystery of the resurrection will be accomplished in us, so Mary now is, as we say “assumed.”
This is, to us, not merely a figure or a symbol. To us, as John of the Apocalypse suggests of the woman clothed with the sun, it is a “sign,” a reality whose meaning is eternal and revelatory.
Mary need not have known or understood this for it to be true. And for us who trust in God’s promise to the Church, it need not be in Scripture to be true.
This is going to be a thousand post thread.
If I understand your response correctly you are stating that Mary is currently in heaven and as such is now without sin. My question would then be...when she was on earth was she without sin?
And the original question is still out there...why is it important that Mary remained a virgin?
Just checked out your about page...do you still raise sheep? I have a small flock of romney sheep.
Of course Scripture agrees with the Church. After all, Scripture is a Tradition of the Church.
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