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To: sirchtruth

Yes, spiritual truth subjective.

I think belief and truth are the same thing when it is applied to spiritual things. Which is what we are talking about...or at least I am, and what I’ve been saying a number of times.

A non-spiritual lie can be shown to be a lie, can’t it? An event either happened or didn’t. Can you show that a spiritual belief/truth is a lie or not? Just as a fun example...can you honestly show that when a viking dies, he did or did not go to Valhalla? Can you show that there is no happy hunting ground? Can you show that there is or isn’t 70 virgins for Muslims? Can you show or not show that man’s sins have or haven’t been forgiven? Can you show any of these to be lies or truths, without referencing a tome, ballad, scripture or something created by man?

I’m not discussing whether or not God exists, I believe He does. I’m also not looking for any proof of anything. I’m just answering your questions that you have asked about my belief that God instills His truth into each of on an individual basis.

I don’t believe there are any real all-encompassing, universal parameters when discussing spiritual matters outside one’s own belief set. Those parameters are set by your beliefs/truths. That is why I said the truth you speak of is subjective. You make it subjective to certain parameters. Your parameters do not apply to all.


215 posted on 05/21/2010 6:08:16 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr
Ok, now that you've explained it this way I can see what you are referring to as spiritual truth. But I think you're using the term very loosely! However, we know from logic all these religions spiritual truths can not be true because they contradict one another. Somebody has to be telling fables or outright LYING. So, it can not logically lead to belief=spiritual truth. Which actually should be more correctly know as "spiritual precept" or "principle."

As I said, words mean things and "Truth" is not subjective no matter how you want to spin it.

216 posted on 05/21/2010 4:19:28 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: stuartcr
As I said, words mean things and "Truth" is not subjective no matter how you want to spin it.

I don't why I wrote this after you explained you were referring too "Spiritual Truth." I agree SP is highly subjective. I was trying to state the difference between SP and Truth and totally Foobarred my intent. I don't think you were trying to "spin" anything.

217 posted on 05/21/2010 4:27:53 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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