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To: James C. Bennett

Perhaps the average Muslim has a greater respect and appreciation for the justice of God than you.

“essence” ... is that an immaterial thing, I thought you were totally materialistic (pun intended).

I will leave you with Jesus’ words:

Luke 13:1-5  There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2  And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4  Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5  I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


160 posted on 05/13/2010 7:47:35 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
Thanks, and I'll leave you with this. I hope you can peruse through it in its entirety, just for the sake of philosophy:

 

Chapter VII
 
 
 
KRISHNA:

L
EARN now, dear Prince! how, if thy soul be set
 
Ever on Me—still exercising Yôg,
 
Still making Me thy Refuge—thou shalt come
 
Most surely unto perfect hold of Me.
 
I will declare to thee that utmost lore,
        5
Whole and particular, which, when thou knowest
 
Leaveth no more to know here in this world.
 
 
 
  Of many thousand mortals, one, perchance,
 
Striveth for Truth; and of those few that strive—
 
Nay, and rise high—one only—here and there—
        10
Knoweth Me, as I am, the very Truth.
 
 
 
  Earth, water, flame, air, ether, life, and mind,
 
And individuality—those eight
 
Make up the showing of Me, Manifest.
 
 
 
  These be my lower Nature; learn the higher,
        15
Whereby, thou Valiant One! this Universe
 
Is, by its principle of life, produced;
 
Whereby the worlds of visible things are born
 
As from a Yoni. Know! I am that womb:
 
I make and I unmake this Universe:
        20
Than me there is no other Master, Prince!
 
No other Maker! All these hang on me
 
As hangs a row of pearls upon its string.
 
I am the fresh taste of the water; I
 
The silver of the moon, the gold o’ the sun,
        25
The word of worship in the Veds, the thrill
 
That passeth in the ether, and the strength
 
Of man’s shed seed. I am the good sweet smell
 
Of the moistened earth, I am the fire’s red light,
 
The vital air moving in all which moves,
        30
The holiness of hallowed souls, the root
 
Undying, whence hath sprung whatever is;
 
The wisdom of the wise, the intellect
 
Of the informed, the greatness of the great,
 
The splendor of the splendid. Kunti’s Son!
        35
These am I, free from passion and desire;
 
Yet am I right desire in all who yearn,
 
Chief of the Bhâratas! for all those moods,
 
Soothfast, or passionate, or ignorant,
 
Which Nature frames, deduce from me; but all
        40
Are merged in me—not I in them! The world—
 
Deceived by those three qualities of being—
 
Wotteth not Me Who am outside them all,
 
Above them all, Eternal! Hard it is
 
To pierce that veil divine of various shows
        45
Which hideth Me; yet they who worship Me
 
Pierce it and pass beyond.
 
        I am not known
 
To evil-doers, nor to foolish ones,
 
Nor to the base and churlish; nor to those
        50
Whose mind is cheated by the show of things,
 
Nor those that take the way of Asuras.
 
 
 
  Four sorts of mortals know me: he who weeps,
 
Arjuna! and the man who yearns to know;
 
And he who toils to help; and he who sits
        55
Certain of me, enlightened.
 
 
 
        Of these four,
 
O Prince of India! highest, nearest, best
 
That last is, the devout soul, wise, intent
 
Upon “The One.” Dear, above all, am I
        60
To him; and he is dearest unto me!
 
All four are good, and seek me; but mine own,
 
The true of heart, the faithful—stayed on me,
 
Taking me as their utmost blessedness,
 
They are not “mine,” but I—even I myself!
        65
At end of many births to Me they come!
 
Yet hard the wise Mahatma is to find,
 
That man who sayeth, “All is Vâsudev!” 
 
 
 
  There be those, too, whose knowledge, turned aside
 
By this desire or that, gives them to serve
        70
Some lower gods, with various rites, constrained
 
By that which mouldeth them. Unto all such—
 
Worship what shrine they will, what shapes, in faith—
 
’Tis I who give them faith! I am content!
 
The heart thus asking favor from its God,
        75
Darkened but ardent, hath the end it craves,
 
The lesser blessing—but ’tis I who give!
 
Yet soon is withered what small fruit they reap
 
Those men of little minds, who worship so,
 
Go where they worship, passing with their gods.
        80
But Mine come unto me! Blind are the eyes
 
Which deem th’ Unmanifested manifest,
 
Not comprehending Me in my true Self!
 
Imperishable, viewless, undeclared,
 
Hidden behind my magic veil of shows,
        85
I am not seen by all; I am not known—
 
Unborn and changeless—to the idle world.
 
But I, Arjuna! know all things which were,
 
And all which are, and all which are to be,
 
Albeit not one among them knoweth Me!
        90
 
 
  By passion for the “pairs of opposites,”
 
By those twain snares of Like and Dislike, Prince!
 
All creatures live bewildered, save some few
 
Who, quit of sins, holy in act, informed,
 
Freed from the “opposites,” and fixed in faith,
        95
Cleave unto Me.
 
 
 
        Who cleave, who seek in Me
 
Refuge from birth and death, those have the Truth!
 
Those know Me BRAHMA; know Me Soul of Souls,
 
The ADHYATMAN; know KARMA, my work;
        100
Know I am ADHIBHUTA, Lord of Life,
 
And ADHIDAIVA, Lord of all the Gods,
 
And ADHIYAJNA, Lord of Sacrifice;
 
Worship Me well, with hearts of love and faith,
 
And find and hold Me in the hour of death.
        105
 
 
Here endeth Chapter VII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,
 
entitled “Vijnânayôg,” or “The Book
 
of Religion by Discernment”
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
Chapter XII
 
 
 
ARJUNA:

L
ORD! of the men who serve Thee—true in heart—
 
As God revealed; and of the men who serve,
 
Worshipping Thee Unrevealed, Unbodied, far,
 
Which take the better way of faith and life?
 
 
 
KRISHNA:

Whoever serve Me—as I show Myself—
        5
Constantly true, in full devotion fixed,
 
These hold I very holy. But who serve—
 
Worshipping Me The One, The Invisible,
 
The Unrevealed, Unnamed, Unthinkable,
 
Uttermost, All-pervading, Highest, Sure—
        10
Who thus adore Me, mastering their sense,
 
Of one set mind to all, glad in all good,
 
These blessed souls come unto Me.
 
        Yet, hard
 
The travail is for whoso bend their minds
        15
To reach th’ Unmanifest. That viewless path
 
Shall scarce be trod by man bearing his flesh!
 
But whereso any doeth all his deeds,
 
Renouncing self in Me, full of Me, fixed
 
To serve only the Highest, night and day
        20
Musing on Me—him will I swiftly lift
 
Forth from life’s ocean of distress and death
 
Whose soul clings fast to Me. Cling thou to Me!
 
Clasp Me with heart and mind! so shalt thou dwell
 
Surely with Me on high. But if thy thought
        25
Droops from such height; if thou be’st weak to set
 
Body and soul upon Me constantly,
 
Despair not! give Me lower service! seek
 
To read Me, worshipping with steadfast will;
 
And, if thou canst not worship steadfastly,
        30
Work for Me, toil in works pleasing to Me!
 
For he that laboreth right for love of Me
 
Shall finally attain! But, if in this
 
Thy faint heart fails, bring Me thy failure! find
 
Refuge in Me! let fruits of labor go,
        35
Renouncing all for Me, with lowliest heart,
 
So shalt thou come; for, though to know is more
 
Than diligence, yet worship better is
 
Than knowing, and renouncing better still
 
Near to renunciation—very near—
        40
Dwelleth Eternal Peace!
 
        Who hateth nought
 
Of all which lives, living himself benign,
 
Compassionate, from arrogance exempt,
 
Exempt from love of self, unchangeable
        45
By good or ill; patient, contented, firm
 
In faith, mastering himself, true to his word,
 
Seeking Me, heart and soul; vowed unto Me,—
 
That man I love! Who troubleth not his kind,
 
And is not troubled by them; clear of wrath,
        50
Living too high for gladness, grief, or fear,
 
That man I love! Who, dwelling quiet-eyed,
 
Stainless, serene, well-balanced, unperplexed,
 
Working with Me, yet from all works detached,
 
That man I love! Who, fixed in faith on Me,
        55
Dotes upon none, scorns none; rejoices not,
 
And grieves not, letting good and evil hap
 
Light when it will, and when it will depart,
 
That man I love! Who, unto friend and foe
 
Keeping an equal heart, with equal mind
        60
Bears shame and glory, with an equal peace
 
Takes heat and cold, pleasure and pain; abides
 
Quit of desires, hears praise or calumny
 
In passionless restraint, unmoved by each,
 
Linked by no ties to earth, steadfast in Me,
        65
That man I love! But most of all I love
 
Those happy ones to whom ’tis life to live
 
In single fervid faith and love unseeing,
 
Eating the blessèd Amrit of my Being!
 
 
 
Here endeth Chapter XII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,
        70
entitled “Bhakityôgô,” or “The Book of
 
the Religion of Faith”
 
 
 
 
 

162 posted on 05/13/2010 8:03:48 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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