Biblical Evidence for Long Creation Days

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/longdays.html ^

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“Then we have the problem of humanoids / Neanderthals, etc.”

A previous creation. Destroyed by the first flood (maybe eons before Noah’s flood.

[James C. Bennett]

Thanks, and I'll leave you with this. I hope you can peruse through it in its entirety, just for the sake of philosophy:

 

Chapter VII

 

 

KRISHNA: LEARN now, dear Prince! how, if thy soul be set
Ever on Me—still exercising Yôg,
Still making Me thy Refuge—thou shalt come
Most surely unto perfect hold of Me.
I will declare to thee that utmost lore,	5
Whole and particular, which, when thou knowest
Leaveth no more to know here in this world.
Of many thousand mortals, one, perchance,
Striveth for Truth; and of those few that strive—
Nay, and rise high—one only—here and there—	10
Knoweth Me, as I am, the very Truth.
Earth, water, flame, air, ether, life, and mind,
And individuality—those eight
Make up the showing of Me, Manifest.
These be my lower Nature; learn the higher,	15
Whereby, thou Valiant One! this Universe
Is, by its principle of life, produced;
Whereby the worlds of visible things are born
As from a Yoni. Know! I am that womb:
I make and I unmake this Universe:	20
Than me there is no other Master, Prince!
No other Maker! All these hang on me
As hangs a row of pearls upon its string.
I am the fresh taste of the water; I
The silver of the moon, the gold o’ the sun,	25
The word of worship in the Veds, the thrill
That passeth in the ether, and the strength
Of man’s shed seed. I am the good sweet smell
Of the moistened earth, I am the fire’s red light,
The vital air moving in all which moves,	30
The holiness of hallowed souls, the root
Undying, whence hath sprung whatever is;
The wisdom of the wise, the intellect
Of the informed, the greatness of the great,
The splendor of the splendid. Kunti’s Son!	35
These am I, free from passion and desire;
Yet am I right desire in all who yearn,
Chief of the Bhâratas! for all those moods,
Soothfast, or passionate, or ignorant,
Which Nature frames, deduce from me; but all	40
Are merged in me—not I in them! The world—
Deceived by those three qualities of being—
Wotteth not Me Who am outside them all,
Above them all, Eternal! Hard it is
To pierce that veil divine of various shows	45
Which hideth Me; yet they who worship Me
Pierce it and pass beyond.
I am not known
To evil-doers, nor to foolish ones,
Nor to the base and churlish; nor to those	50
Whose mind is cheated by the show of things,
Nor those that take the way of Asuras.
Four sorts of mortals know me: he who weeps,
Arjuna! and the man who yearns to know;
And he who toils to help; and he who sits	55
Certain of me, enlightened.
Of these four,
O Prince of India! highest, nearest, best
That last is, the devout soul, wise, intent
Upon “The One.” Dear, above all, am I	60
To him; and he is dearest unto me!
All four are good, and seek me; but mine own,
The true of heart, the faithful—stayed on me,
Taking me as their utmost blessedness,
They are not “mine,” but I—even I myself!	65
At end of many births to Me they come!
Yet hard the wise Mahatma is to find,
That man who sayeth, “All is Vâsudev!”
There be those, too, whose knowledge, turned aside
By this desire or that, gives them to serve	70
Some lower gods, with various rites, constrained
By that which mouldeth them. Unto all such—
Worship what shrine they will, what shapes, in faith—
’Tis I who give them faith! I am content!
The heart thus asking favor from its God,	75
Darkened but ardent, hath the end it craves,
The lesser blessing—but ’tis I who give!
Yet soon is withered what small fruit they reap
Those men of little minds, who worship so,
Go where they worship, passing with their gods.	80
But Mine come unto me! Blind are the eyes
Which deem th’ Unmanifested manifest,
Not comprehending Me in my true Self!
Imperishable, viewless, undeclared,
Hidden behind my magic veil of shows,	85
I am not seen by all; I am not known—
Unborn and changeless—to the idle world.
But I, Arjuna! know all things which were,
And all which are, and all which are to be,
Albeit not one among them knoweth Me!	90
By passion for the “pairs of opposites,”
By those twain snares of Like and Dislike, Prince!
All creatures live bewildered, save some few
Who, quit of sins, holy in act, informed,
Freed from the “opposites,” and fixed in faith,	95
Cleave unto Me.
Who cleave, who seek in Me
Refuge from birth and death, those have the Truth!
Those know Me BRAHMA; know Me Soul of Souls,
The ADHYATMAN; know KARMA, my work;	100
Know I am ADHIBHUTA, Lord of Life,
And ADHIDAIVA, Lord of all the Gods,
And ADHIYAJNA, Lord of Sacrifice;
Worship Me well, with hearts of love and faith,
And find and hold Me in the hour of death.	105
Here endeth Chapter VII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,
entitled “Vijnânayôg,” or “The Book
of Religion by Discernment”

 

 

 

 

   

 

Chapter XII

 

 

ARJUNA: LORD! of the men who serve Thee—true in heart—
As God revealed; and of the men who serve,
Worshipping Thee Unrevealed, Unbodied, far,
Which take the better way of faith and life?
KRISHNA: Whoever serve Me—as I show Myself—	5
Constantly true, in full devotion fixed,
These hold I very holy. But who serve—
Worshipping Me The One, The Invisible,
The Unrevealed, Unnamed, Unthinkable,
Uttermost, All-pervading, Highest, Sure—	10
Who thus adore Me, mastering their sense,
Of one set mind to all, glad in all good,
These blessed souls come unto Me.
Yet, hard
The travail is for whoso bend their minds	15
To reach th’ Unmanifest. That viewless path
Shall scarce be trod by man bearing his flesh!
But whereso any doeth all his deeds,
Renouncing self in Me, full of Me, fixed
To serve only the Highest, night and day	20
Musing on Me—him will I swiftly lift
Forth from life’s ocean of distress and death
Whose soul clings fast to Me. Cling thou to Me!
Clasp Me with heart and mind! so shalt thou dwell
Surely with Me on high. But if thy thought	25
Droops from such height; if thou be’st weak to set
Body and soul upon Me constantly,
Despair not! give Me lower service! seek
To read Me, worshipping with steadfast will;
And, if thou canst not worship steadfastly,	30
Work for Me, toil in works pleasing to Me!
For he that laboreth right for love of Me
Shall finally attain! But, if in this
Thy faint heart fails, bring Me thy failure! find
Refuge in Me! let fruits of labor go,	35
Renouncing all for Me, with lowliest heart,
So shalt thou come; for, though to know is more
Than diligence, yet worship better is
Than knowing, and renouncing better still
Near to renunciation—very near—	40
Dwelleth Eternal Peace!
Who hateth nought
Of all which lives, living himself benign,
Compassionate, from arrogance exempt,
Exempt from love of self, unchangeable	45
By good or ill; patient, contented, firm
In faith, mastering himself, true to his word,
Seeking Me, heart and soul; vowed unto Me,—
That man I love! Who troubleth not his kind,
And is not troubled by them; clear of wrath,	50
Living too high for gladness, grief, or fear,
That man I love! Who, dwelling quiet-eyed,
Stainless, serene, well-balanced, unperplexed,
Working with Me, yet from all works detached,
That man I love! Who, fixed in faith on Me,	55
Dotes upon none, scorns none; rejoices not,
And grieves not, letting good and evil hap
Light when it will, and when it will depart,
That man I love! Who, unto friend and foe
Keeping an equal heart, with equal mind	60
Bears shame and glory, with an equal peace
Takes heat and cold, pleasure and pain; abides
Quit of desires, hears praise or calumny
In passionless restraint, unmoved by each,
Linked by no ties to earth, steadfast in Me,	65
That man I love! But most of all I love
Those happy ones to whom ’tis life to live
In single fervid faith and love unseeing,
Eating the blessèd Amrit of my Being!
Here endeth Chapter XII. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ,	70
entitled “Bhakityôgô,” or “The Book of
the Religion of Faith”

 

 

 

 

[James C. Bennett]

Recent genetic analyses shows that humans and Neanderthals inter-bred.

[BrandtMichaels]

You have truly outdone yourself in post 144. Could you be anymore insulting with your baseless assumptions?!?! I have had quite enough of your type - smarmy evo defenders who pull out all their supposed ‘trump’ cards (i.e. flat-earthers, equating christianity with islamic religion, etc.). You show little if any true understanding of U.S. history let alone world history. Grow up before it’s too late. Here’s a hint for you junior - this ‘desert nomad mythology’ that you speak of is very embarrassing - for you.

You insult other fine folk’s intelligence, as if none of us have analyzed anything in the present world, rather just dumbly/blindly ‘clinging to our guns and religion’, nothing more than a bunch of hicksters and hucksters conning and being conned by some misunderstood ancient writings.

But in reality it is you who have failed even minimally to study the Bible and all the related extensive/exhaustive research defending it as a unique book in all of history and showing supernatural signs and wonders which no mere human could possibly have predicted and no mere scientist can begin to explain.

Shall I go on or will you apply your stupendous intellect studying and analyzing the unique nature and claims of the Holy Bible which any true believer will tell you is the inspired Word of God?

You completely under-estimate the defenders of creation with your old hackneyed arguments for evolution. All the while ignoring that it takes much more faith to believe that 3 billion lines of living breathing code came to life (somehow - since evolution does not like to address the point or origins anymore) and now with millions and billions of years is/was capable of accidentally re-programming itself into myriad life-forms all the while hiding all evidence. Any mathematician worth his weight will tell you the odds are simply staggering beyond your puny comprehension.

This hysterical evolutionary science still has far more questions than answers and far more dead-ends than they will ever admit. And don’t even think of re-examining all of the factual science evolution has swept under the rug along the way. I’ll cling to my faith any day of the week rather than being a modern day talking-head consensus clinger with nothing better to do than polish my pride. But ymmv...

[James C. Bennett]

The lottery winner hypothesis I mentioned earlier makes it just as impossible, probability-wise, for someone to win a lottery, and yet, they do.

The "3 billion" lines of code didn't all get compiled in one go. It started off from something far simpler - protein molecules. Innumerable iterations of natural selection allowed the "code" to grow.

Many may prefer superstition instead, but that is something I cannot help them with. Whatever standards of judgment they used to reject the scientific evidence for evolution, I can only request them to apply the same to the mythologies they accept as true, as well.

As for the picture on post 144, if it's that 100+-years-old picture you're complaining about, here's a better version of the same, from the following website:

http://www.mendeley.com/research/ancient-hebrew-cosmology/

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Sure.../s

[stuartcr]

None. I believe in one God who is the Creator, but it pretty much stops there. I have no idea why, and can’t substantiate anything.

[stuartcr]

I agree, on an individual basis.

[sirchtruth]

There is a ton of biblical/physical/historical evidence which you can substantiate God. You will not PROVE the entity God with empirical evidence because he has decided it's not productive in this day and age. If it's true he showed himself 2,000 years ago and man didn't believe him then when he was right in front of his face why should God keep doing this if all that happens is man's keeps rejecting him.

However, the evidence in my opinion is overwhelming the Christian God not only exist, but the biblical record is wholly accurate. Again, you have to have faith. He hides things. Why? Because of man's heart. He has shown the way, but because man is so inherently selfish, God says if you want me, here I am, but I want your whole heart, and then I will provide all this other stuff you long for.

Let me just say this. You keep on looking for the evidence you need to see, but I just want you to remember God (Christian) has clearly pointed out how you can find him. I am always free to answer any questions you have. I am not a biblical authority, I am one who sought the truth, and found it.

Now the question does God know me?

[stuartcr]

I don’t need to substantiate God, I already believe in Him. I was talking about some of my beliefs.

[sirchtruth]

I was talking about some of my beliefs.

For instance?

[stuartcr]

That everyone prays to the same God. That religions are man-made. That no matter how much one studies God, no one knows anymore about God than any other man. That God manifests Himself in each of us individually, imparting His truth to that individual, for that individual.

[Tramonto]

A bigger problem would be of 6+ billion individuals descending out of one mating pair, primarily through incest, initially.

Adam and Eve were perfect and their DNA, both dominant and recessive, didn't have mutations. As each generation was born, more and more mutations occurred but these were mostly recessive so the life spans of the preflood people were extremely long.

After the flood, there was a bottle neck and the recessive genes came to the surface causing the life spans of people to dramatically decline. Nowadays our DNA is so degraded that the human race couldn't survive that type of bottle neck. We are slowly going extinct and there in nothing that can be done about it.

[sirchtruth]

That God manifests Himself in each of us individually, imparting His truth to that individual, for that individual.

I don't see a difference really in your beliefs. However, I wonder if you think there is a different "Truth" God imparts for each individual?

[stuartcr]

Yes, the most obvious being the differences in people’s beliefs about God and morality.

[MayflowerMadam]

Have you heard “Ravi Answers Atheists”, by Ravi Zacharias? Excellent, excellent set of sermons.

[sirchtruth]

Yes, the most obvious being the differences in people’s beliefs about God and morality.

How can there be a "different" truth if everybody reads the same thing? God's truth to my knowledge does not change from one person to another simply because that would be antithetical to the truth. This is why satan is able to trick people into believing all sorts of B.S. because some people do not adhere to God's standard, but rely on their own convolution and cling to darkness.

First of all let's define, "The Truth" - Jesus Christ. Yeshua.

[sirchtruth]

Have you heard “Ravi Answers Atheists”, by Ravi Zacharias? Excellent, excellent set of sermons.

Yes! Definitely. He's a great Christian apologist!

[stuartcr]

Who said anything about reading? Obviously, the definitions of truth and the truths themselves, are different for each person.

I find it interesting that while you say there is no real difference in our beliefs, then we must share the belief that no one man knows any more about God than any other. Yet you offer answers to any questions I may have. How does that happen?

[the_daug]

There is no analogy the Septuagint makes it specific 24 hour days. I don't have a problem with 24 hour day creation cycle cause of the curse Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. as Paul states. Our knowledge of physics precurse is conjecture. I find no need to torture the text to conform to my science. If the age of the earth is such importance then consider Upheaval in Physics: History of the Light-Speed Debate