Prohibition on Homosexuality Was Not Repealed By Christ

Today there are many false Christian teachers who are are leading many poor souls straight to hell by claiming that Jesus never spoke against the union of two men or two women, so homosexuality is now condoned by God. Let me say right from the start, except for the ceremonials ones (which Jesus repealed), all of the Mosaic laws are still in force. That is because there were three categories of laws given to Israel: civil, ceremonial, and moral. The civil laws were ONLY given to the Israel. The ceremonial laws were filled and abolished in Christ. The moral laws, such as the Ten Commandments and other Mosaic moral laws are universal. They are part of Natural and Divine Law. Homosexuality is clearly contrary to moral and natural laws. All forms of homosexuality are condemned, past, present, and future.

What Jesus did was fulfill the laws handed down by God. Matthew 5:17 If you look at the teachings of Jesus, you will see that he reiterated all the OT laws. What He did do away with however, was the ceremonials laws that were needed to gain forgiveness and be pure before God, but now we look to Christ for our salvation instead of through the works that God required the Israelites to do. So I can say without hesitation that Jesus also did not repeal the prohibition against homosexuality.
There will be many who will now automatically accuse me of claiming that those who commit adultery and other such immoral crimes should be stoned as the law of Moses commanded. However, what they fail to understand is that even under the Mosaic law, the death penalty was not the only requirement for the penalty of breaking the laws of murder, adultery, and other such crimes.

In 2 Samuel chapters 11 and 12, we learn about King David's sin of adultery with Bathsheba, and we also learn about him having Bathsheba's husband Uriah killed because he refused to sleep with his wife. However, what they fail to understand is that, under Mosaic law, the penalty for murder, adultery, and other such crimes was not merely death, but death by stoning. So, both David and Bathsheba should have been stoned to death, but they were not. We can say that because David was the King is the reason he was not stoned, but we would be wrong. Fact is, God forgave David because of his broken and contrite heart. David wrote about this in Psalm 51, where it says;

Think about that, David was admitting that a sacrifice would not do, nor would any burnt offering be enough to hold back God's anger at him for his sin. What we can learn from this is that David knew he needed a change of heart to be forgiven. He understood that if God wanted him dead him and Bathsheba both would be dead, but in his heart he was truly remorseful and God, who can discern the heart knew it. So God forgave him of his sin.

Now let us jump forward to the day the Pharisees brought forward the woman caught in adultery, Jesus was supposedly caught in a dilemma. He could either agree to have the woman stoned and then suffer the consequences of those who were following Him to turn away from Him because they know that they too are guilty of similar sins that require as harsh or harsher a punishment. Or He could let her go and thus be in violation of the Mosaic law and thus prove He was not whom He claimed to be.

Well from the story of David, we know that God Jesus looks at the heart and not the actions and Christ is God, so what He did was use the Mosaic law to forgive her. So, knowing the heart of.........

BenKenobi you said:
The reason they divide Christians is not because Protestants disagree with Catholics, but because some modern day Protestants place the world as more important than Christ.

Again you state the obvious, while insinuating that the fire started with Protestantism. Remember, it was the Catholic Church who denied men the right to read the word under penalty of death. The Apostles and other authors of the New Testament Epistles, wrote their letters for all members of the church to read, not just the leaders of the church. Also it was the Catholic Church who drowned thousands of men women and children for daring to get re-baptized. I could go on and on with fact after fact about the reasons the Catholic Church is responsible for its own troubles, with both men and God, but it is not my desire to trash Catholics or the Church, but to defend the truth.

Why is it you desire to believe that the reformation was a bad thing. This is the same thing that the Judaisers tried to say about the Apostles sharing the Gospel with the gentiles of the Roman empire. They wanted them to become Jews, thus Paul's letter to the Romans and the Galatians, defending the truth against those who would corrupt the truth. This is what the early protestant leaders did with the Catholic Church.

It was in fact God using the Holy Spirit to allow for the stoning of Stephen to get the Christians out of Jerusalem so they would follow the great commission.Matthew 28:18-21. So to was the Holy Spirit behind Martin Luther posting his grievances on the Church door in Wittenberg. God wanted the Church to change, but they refused to head the advise given to Martin Luther via the Holy Spirit. Just as the Jews rejected Christ, then rejected His disciples through out Jerusalem, and eventually even rejected Paul throughout the Empire, the Church rejected God's warning about getting its house in order. So God used the Holy Spirit to move men like Luther, Calvin, Zingwilli (sp?), Hess, Wycliff, and others to reform the Church, but the church refused to reform. Thus God allowed them to strike out separately and split from the Catholic Church

Now if you desire to know my thoughts on Christianity then all my religious articles are free for you to read, I have shared them at FreeRepublic throughout my 12 years as a member. I do not hide my faith. If you cannot find them on my FR Profile Page , then go to my religious blog at Gate of the City Ministries. Follow the blog on the right side down towards the bottom, and you will see 10 points I posted that are my basics beliefs. I would advise that you do an investigation and show me where I am wrong.

However, you specifically use the idea that I and many protestant religions are for some form of birth control. I agree some are, but then again there are Catholic Dioceses like I said that even promote same sex marriage and practicing homosexuals as priests. And please do not attempt to say such fools like Joel Olsteene (sp?), Benny Hinn, Copeland, and other prosperity name it claim it heretics are Protestant. They are not even Christians. Neither are Jehovah Witnesses or Mormons Christians, they follow the wrong Christ. Also, the denominations you read about accepting the worlds views of Christianity are few, but they get the headlines. The true Chrisatian Churches of those denominations are many, many more then the ones in the media, just like the true Christ following Catholic Dioceses out number the ones accepting Satan's rules.

The many different Protestant Churches I have attended in my years have all been against any form of birth control as I am. God opens and closes thew womb when he chooses. If we cannot handle our finances to properly take care of that which he blesses us with, then we need to change our spending habits, not our birth control habits. If a husband and a wife do not wish to have children then use the rhythm method, but even then you deny that which is God's first and never repealed covenant, "Be fruitful and multiply".

I firmly believe that if Christians of all denominations had been putting their faith in God to lead them with what He wants us to have, well then we would out number all the non believers and America would still be a strongly devoted Christian Nation. Also, the likes of Carter and Obama would not have fooled Christians about the true god they really follow.

That being said, I personally know a lot more Catholics who are practicing abortion and birth control then I do Protestants. That is a personal Christian problem in my opinion.

I personally draw the line between true Christian faiths and non Christian faiths along with what Vegasrugrat wrote in comment #22 said and that is, to be a denomination of true Christian faith, one must teach the true Triune God with the belief in Salvation by Grace.

Again, I will say it again. I do not believe that fighting between true Christian denominations is a good thing for the Universal Church of Christian believers. I do believe in good healthy debate, which I refer to proper apologetics to defend the faith are healthy. And while steel sharpens steel, when that steel turns into a blade to cut another true believer in Christian in public, well the only winner is Satan.

Sorry for the thesis, but I got on a roll, and when that happens words fly through me onto my pc like water through goes through a colander.

Why apologise? I blame this recent spate of modernism on the Anglicans at their Lambeth conference who changed their position and endorsed artificial birth control. These are the protestants I blame, and they’ve pretty much been the vanguard. It might take awhile for it to disseminate, but eventually they’ve all chosen to follow the Anglicans. We’ve seen it with birth control, and we will eventually see it with everything else.

“Remember, it was the Catholic Church who denied men the right to read the word under penalty of death.”

Entirely false. They made and preserved the bible for thousands of years before Gutenburg was able to print copies of the Vulgate. If the Cahtolic church had not preserved the Word of God for over a thousand years, you would not have the bible you have before you today.

“Also it was the Catholic Church who drowned thousands of men women and children for daring to get re-baptized.”

That was not us, but Luther. It was Luther who also burned you at stake.

“Why is it you desire to believe that the reformation was a bad thing.”

I don’t believe the reformation was a bad thing. There were abuses within the Church that needed to be addressed at the time. Where I disagree is that the reform could only occur by dividing the body of Christ. Hundreds of years were spent in bloodshed in Europe over Luther’s decision to split.

“Just as the Jews rejected Christ, then rejected His disciples through out Jerusalem, and eventually even rejected Paul throughout the Empire, the Church rejected God’s warning about getting its house in order.”

Did they? Have you heard of the Jesuits? The Franscicans, the Dominicans? All were orders founded for the sole purpose to spread the word and to educate those willing not only in Sacred Scripture but also in the secular matters. The houses of the learned were the monasteries which preserved the ancient Greek texts not only in the Bible, but also in philosophy, history and science.

You are right that they did have things to fix, but the Counter-Reformation was the reform movement within the Catholic church to deal with the issues laid by Luther. The Church was not silent to her critics, and invited Luther to attend the ecumenical council of Trent, but he refused to come.

“I would advise that you do an investigation and show me where I am wrong.”

I have done an investigation. I was a Mennonite, and much of what I uncovered shocked me. I have evidence that Luther was invited as a guest to Trent. I also have evidence that the report made at Trent regarding the then Mennonites was word for word what Luther said of them. Clearly, the Catholic church took Luther at his word, rather then meeting with the members of the Mennonites.

The Reformation is not Catholic vs Protestant, but Luther vs everyone else. Luther was the common denominator of division, even between the bodies of protestants that sprung up contrary to his own beliefs. He labelled Mennonites as heretics.

“there are Catholic Dioceses like I said that even promote same sex marriage and practicing homosexuals as priests.”

Name them please. There are no Catholic dioceses which promote gay marriage or homosexuality.

“And please do not attempt to say such fools like Joel Olsteene (sp?), Benny Hinn, Copeland, and other prosperity name it claim it heretics are Protestant.”

I am quoting the Anglican church, the Lutheran church, the Calvinists. I am not out to prove a charge against anyone other then the majority of those who call themselves Protestants.

“Also, the denominations you read about accepting the worlds views of Christianity are few, but they get the headlines.”

I don’t regard the Anglicans, the Calvinists or the Lutherans as small denominations.

“The many different Protestant Churches I have attended in my years have all been against any form of birth control as I am.”

May I ask which church you attended?

“I firmly believe that if Christians of all denominations had been putting their faith in God to lead them with what He wants us to have, well then we would out number all the non believers and America would still be a strongly devoted Christian Nation. Also, the likes of Carter and Obama would not have fooled Christians about the true god they really follow.”

I agree. My battle isn’t with faithful Christians. My battle is with those Christians who have chosen to follow the path of the world. Those who have bought into the modern lies. I am not against Protestants. I am very heartened to hear that there are some who still follow the old ways.

“That being said, I personally know a lot more Catholics who are practicing abortion and birth control then I do Protestants. That is a personal Christian problem in my opinion.”

Indeed. It’s by no means confined. But my problem is the churches that teach contrary to Christ on these issues, and lead many people, especially young people, astray. Yes, some people will always rebel, but it is quite different when they are encouraged to do so by their own pastors.

“Again, I will say it again. I do not believe that fighting between true Christian denominations is a good thing for the Universal Church of Christian believers.”

Nor do I. But I am increasingly questioning whether those ‘true Christian faiths’ which adopt homosexuality and have strayed truly can call themselves followers of Christ.

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