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Placing her above where Christ would have her is idolatry.

On that I think you will find agreement.

There are problems though:

To judge by the posts of the antis, they don't understand where we place her.
To judge by the TONE of the posts of the antis, saving our souls, admonishing us in charity is the last thing on the minds of most of them.

To us it feels like somebody telling us to get out of a place we are not in, which, the first time around seems to be a communication problem.

But as the conversation continues and all the old spite and abuse comes up again, and again, and again, then it becomes simply incredible that good will could have any part in what is directed at us.

To us, despite appearances, simple explanations are the best. If the Sun, which God made, dances in the sky in support of an apparition among whose messages are the instruction to pray to Jesus for mercy for ourselves and for those who need it most, there are many possible explanations.

One is that the apparition was real and the message was something good to heed. How could it be bad to pray to Jesus for mercy? Why shouldn't God make the sun dance? He made it stop once ...

Sure, it could be something called mass hypnosis which means exactly ..... uh what does it mean again? It could be space aliens who were trying to lead us all astray by encouraging us to pray to Jesus for mercy to sort of gain our confidence so that later they could inveigle us into voting Democratic or something.

Well, I'm going with the simple explanation, the one that leads me to give thanks to God for all his marvellous works, among whom is His Mother and mine.