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To: Natural Law

“Protest-ant theology is completely man made and denies the entire authority of Apostolic Tradition.”

Ridiculous. “Apostolic Tradition” is a tradition of man. It isn’t anywhere in Scripture. So either you are being facetious here or I better build an ark to escape your world wide flood of irony.

“...BEFORE the writing of the Gospels...”

These were found written LONG before the Vatican decided to change the names of their pagan gods to Christian ones.

“...devoid of altars, putting in their place pulpits so as to supplant worship and the primacy of the presence of Christ with sermons...”

The Word outlines how to worship and what it says is more akin to having sermons than anything out of the Vatican. The “presence”, if you mean the transmogrification, is nowhere in scripture. Neither is setting up an altar for the worship of Christ. Altars and the ‘presence’ are a doctrine of man or demon from the Vatican.

“Why do you believe that Protestant Churches deny the presence of Christ in the Eucharist putting in its place the words of men?”

The “eucharist” stuff is right out because it is NO WHERE in scripture. It is also a magical ceremony and God said very clearly not to perform sorcery. This is all simply works of man and demon from the Vatican.

“...prowl the Catholic topic threads...”

Stop posting threads filled with idolatry and blasphemy and Christians will stop coming on them and mentioning that they are idolatrous and blasphemous.

“...Christ’s own Church...”

Christ founded the Body of Christ made up of all Christians. The teachings of the Vatican are not Christian.

“...guided to these threads by the Holy Spirit so that you can know the truth denied you...”

The Holy Spirit does not guide people into idolatry and blasphemy and that is all that exists in the Vatican edifice.


381 posted on 05/07/2010 1:04:31 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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“Apostolic Tradition” is a tradition of man. It isn’t anywhere in Scripture.

Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. (2 Thessalonians 2:14)

These were found written LONG before the Vatican decided to change the names of their pagan gods to Christian ones.

Which "pagan gods" are you referring to? Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, we believe in ONE GOD.

The Word outlines how to worship and what it says is more akin to having sermons than anything out of the Vatican.

Nothing about sermons here:

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the church of God. 17 Now this I ordain: not praising you, that you come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18 For first of all I hear that when you come together in the church, there are schisms among you; and in part I believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies: that they also, who are approved, may be made manifest among you. 20 When you come therefore together into one place, it is not now to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For every one taketh before his own supper to eat. And one indeed is hungry and another is drunk. 22 What, have you not houses to eat and to drink in? Or despise ye the church of God; and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? Do I praise you? In this I praise you not. 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. 24 And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. 25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. 27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. 30 Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

31 But if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But whilst we are judged, we are chastised by the Lord, that we be not condemned with this world. 33 Wherefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 If any man be hungry, let him eat at home; that you come not together unto judgment. And the rest I will set in order, when I come.
-- 1 Corinthians 11:16-34

The “presence”, if you mean the transmogrification, is nowhere in scripture.

Well, then it's a good thing that "transmogrification" isn't part of the Mass.

The “eucharist” stuff is right out because it is NO WHERE in scripture.

Read what I posted above.

Stop posting threads filled with idolatry and blasphemy and Christians will stop coming on them and mentioning that they are idolatrous and blasphemous.

So, you DO want Catholics to stop posting here?

396 posted on 05/07/2010 1:30:25 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Outership
"Ridiculous. “Apostolic Tradition” is a tradition of man."

You cannot dictate that all truth be adjudicated through the corrupt lense of your Sola Scriptura heresy. Christ entrusted his Word not to a book, but to his disciples and they to theirs through Gospels, letters and lectures. Apostolic Tradition preceded the bible and continues to this day. To deny this is to deny the ever present role of the Holy Spirit in our lives.

"The Word outlines how to worship and what it says is more akin to having sermons than anything out of the Vatican."

The really sad thing is that you may never know how wrong you are. The Catholic Mass is a celebration of worship. The Liturgy itself is prayer; the confession of faith finds its proper place in the celebration of worship. Grace, the fruit of the sacraments, is the irreplaceable condition for Christian living, just as participation in the Church's Liturgy requires faith. If faith is not expressed in works, it is dead and cannot bear fruit unto eternal life.

The heresy of Protestantism diminishes the celebration of worship, as it does the call to Beatitude, and replaces it with sermons. The focus of the Protestant ceremony, like its theology, is not Christ, but the words of men twisted into a celebration of their self-proclaimed brilliance, not His.

"The “eucharist” stuff is right out because it is NO WHERE in scripture."

Christ said; "This IS my body", he did not say "this is a symbol of my body". Were you implying that Calvin and Luther are correct in changing the words of God in this and many other instances?

I am pleased that you are still sticking around on this thread and testing your shaky belief system against Christa's Church. It shows confirms that all are called to Salvation and that a plan for Salvation exists for all. I pray that in your heart and in your deeds you will achieve it.

403 posted on 05/07/2010 1:39:05 PM PDT by Natural Law
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