Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley
"Fatima is a particularly significant place for this Pope," said Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi on Tuesday, noting that it was also a destination for two former Popes. The Holy Father has a thorough knowledge of the history of the Marian sanctuary, he added.
Fr. Lombardi held a press conference at the Vatican to prepare the media for the Pope's next trip out of the Vatican. He will be visiting Portugal from May 11-14.
The spokesman referred to the Pope's stop in Fatima on May 13 as the highlight and "heart" of the upcoming four-day trip to Portugal, according to Vatican Radio. But, he pointed out, Benedict XVI will not be the first Pope to visit the Marian shrine.
Two other Pontiffs have been to Fatima. In 1967, the sanctuary hosted Paul VI, and John Paul II visited in 1982, 1991 and 2000, at which time the visionaries Jacinta and Francesco were beatified.
The Portuguese shrine is not unfamiliar to Pope Benedict, since as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger extensively studied the message of Fatima. Fr. Lombardi said on Tuesday that the Pope has been involved with history of the Marian sanctuary in a "very deep, personal way."
It was him, for example, who was called upon to give a theological perspective when the third secret of Fatima was made public in 2000.
The Vatican spokesman said that the Holy Father will also deliver an intense message during his Fatima visit. Upon his arrival at the sanctuary on May 12, he will remember John Paul II and the 29th anniversary of the assassination attempt that nearly took his life on May 13, 1981.
This visit marks the Holy Father's 15th Apostolic Journey abroad in his five years and is his first to Portugal as Pope.
During today's general audience, the Holy Father greeted the people of Portugal in their language, telling them that he will be there this coming weekend at the invitation of the president of the nation and the episcopal conference.
He said he was "happy to be able to visit the 'land of Holy Mary'" on the 10th anniversary of the beatification of the shepherd children.
According to Portuguese press reports, local police are planning for a cumulative total of 450,000 people at the celebrations in Lisbon, Fatima and Portugal during the four-day visit.
Nope. My mother was fully human.
If so, please don’t be sad. I kind of feel bad for you now. Listen, if you turn away from antichristian things I’ll be your friend
Such an offer. We Christians capitalize the word Christian. I must decline your kind offer of friendship. I don't want to end up in the slurry.
“Tough buns, cookie.”
I didn’t bake them, you should be complaining to your wife.
“If you kept your nose in the multicoloured and multifonted comic books that your Catholic caricatures come out of on whatever planet you are on...”
What in the world are you talking about?
“...you wouldn’t have to experience the Church of Christ whatsoever.”
The Church of Christ is the Body of Christ which is made up of all Christians. I experience it every instant of every moment of every hour of every day, because I am in it.
However, if by “Church” you mean “those who follow and obey the Vatican”, you need to understand that Rome has deceived you.
You cannot dictate that all truth be adjudicated through the corrupt lense of your Sola Scriptura heresy. Christ entrusted his Word not to a book, but to his disciples and they to theirs through Gospels, letters and lectures. Apostolic Tradition preceded the bible and continues to this day. To deny this is to deny the ever present role of the Holy Spirit in our lives.
"The Word outlines how to worship and what it says is more akin to having sermons than anything out of the Vatican."
The really sad thing is that you may never know how wrong you are. The Catholic Mass is a celebration of worship. The Liturgy itself is prayer; the confession of faith finds its proper place in the celebration of worship. Grace, the fruit of the sacraments, is the irreplaceable condition for Christian living, just as participation in the Church's Liturgy requires faith. If faith is not expressed in works, it is dead and cannot bear fruit unto eternal life.
The heresy of Protestantism diminishes the celebration of worship, as it does the call to Beatitude, and replaces it with sermons. The focus of the Protestant ceremony, like its theology, is not Christ, but the words of men twisted into a celebration of their self-proclaimed brilliance, not His.
"The “eucharist” stuff is right out because it is NO WHERE in scripture."
Christ said; "This IS my body", he did not say "this is a symbol of my body". Were you implying that Calvin and Luther are correct in changing the words of God in this and many other instances?
I am pleased that you are still sticking around on this thread and testing your shaky belief system against Christa's Church. It shows confirms that all are called to Salvation and that a plan for Salvation exists for all. I pray that in your heart and in your deeds you will achieve it.
Post 182 purports to raise Mary above Christ. I explained it in post 327. You can see it for yourself.
Shocking, I know.
“We should be ready to stand...or melt.”
LOL!
It is funny to see a Vaticanian worried about an inquisition.
That is only the case when one does not understand the concept of filial love.
Let's have a look and see what you're having difficulties understanding:
To: QuixIt's all very well to take recourse to the usual litany of accusations centered around rubber, but if the general charge is not reduced and clearly related to the specific thing you are complaining about, then it just passes me by.Is the mother of the head NOT the mother of the Body?
Is Mary NOT the mother of Jesus the Christ?
Is the Church NOT the Body of which Christ is the head?
I don't see the wildness or the rubber.In related news, I am astonished the a psychologist questions the bonding of infant with mother as important in the development of the ability to love.
Which of the following do you not believe to be true (and you don't have to limit yourself to a single choice):
A. Do you not believe that Jesus Christ was born to the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem?
B. Do you not believe that the Church is the Body of Christ?
C. Do you not believe that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church?
There were many millions across Germany, the Low Countries, England, Scotland and Ireland who suffered terribly at the hands of Protestant Inquisitions. The number exceeds by over 100X the few thousand who perished at the hands of the Spanish government, not the Church, in their Inquisition to de-Islamify the Iberian peninsula after over 700 years of Sharia Law and Muslim rule.
Let me guess, public school, right?
This is post 182
To: Quix
It’s all very well to take recourse to the usual litany of accusations centered around rubber, but if the general charge is not reduced and clearly related to the specific thing you are complaining about, then it just passes me by.
Is the mother of the head NOT the mother of the Body?
Is Mary NOT the mother of Jesus the Christ?
Is the Church NOT the Body of which Christ is the head?
I don’t see the wildness or the rubber.
In related news, I am astonished the a psychologist questions the bonding of infant with mother as important in the development of the ability to love.
182 posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 10:38:21 AM by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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So where does Mad Dawg put Mary above Christ?
[Ugly basketball buzzer noise]
The correct (ahem) response is: We can't stop all that stuff because we never started. What we post is not filled with idolatry nor blasphemy.
“That is an incredibly offensive and false characterization of the Church...”
What was false about it?
“It speaks far more about your lack of Christianity than anything else.”
So, being against pedophile priests makes me non-Christian? Where is it in Scripture that God instructs priests to rape little boys? Actually, where in the Bible does it say we should even have priests?
“Sins can be distinguished...”
Sins are sins. Like praying to Mary is a sin. Like raping a little boy is a sin. I’m not quite clear on your position. Are you saying you are for raping little boys?
The Vatican certainly is, that’s why instead of removing those responsible from office, they hid them, moved them around, granted them fresh children to rape, kept it out of the media, shamed and threatened all those who spoke against it.
If one is against rape but in idolatry to an edifice, it is understandable that they will accept rape if it spares their edifice. That is how so much sin is now in the Vatican edifice. A person can only serve one master.
Let me ask this again...
Here is a another question.
Why is it that you have an anniversary date of 2006 on your FReeperpage but have no posting history before this threa
threa = thread
I assume when you use the term "Vaticanian" you are using it as a pejorative for Catholic.
Catholics have been persecuted since the time of Christ. Nothing new there.
One defense, made to order:
....in April of 2002, the Boston Herald announced that records had been found at the Archdiocese of Boston revealing that notorious predator-priest Rev. Paul R. Shanley had been involved with NAMBLA, that he even “spoke in favor of sex between men and boys at a December 1978 Boston convention that led to the founding of the intergenerational sex advocacy organization.” (Church Uncovers File on Shanley NAMBLA Activity – April 25, 2002).
-- from the 2010 thread A “Celibacy Problem”? Catholic-Bashing, NAMBLA and the Dalai Lama....more damning were numerous documents revealing that Bernard Cardinal Law, his predecessor, Humberto Cardinal Medeiros, and other archdiocesean officials were aware of Shanley's behavior as far back as 1967, but continued to assign him to posts that put him in direct contact with children.
Coyne appeared visibly angry as he revealed the discovery of the documents, saying there is no question now that there had been numerous written complaints made in past years to chancery officials about Shanley's behavior....records showed that Shanley spoke in favor of sex between men and boys at a December 1978 Boston convention that led to the founding of the intergenerational sex advocacy organization.
-- from the 2002 thread BREAKING: Church uncovers [NEW!!!] file on Shanley NAMBLA activity
“I take it you’re not part of the Universal Church; the Church that Jesus founded.”
I am a member of the Body of Christ, whom Christ is the Head, and whom all Christians belong to.
If by “Universal Church” you are referring to those who follow and obey the Vatican, then no I am not a member of that organization. Also, Christ didn’t found it. A group of sin-filled fallen men who wanted power and prestige changed the names of their pagan gods to Christian names and retroactively claimed they were the only true Christians by appropriating the word “Catholic” and claiming every early Christian was one of them. It is complete blasphemy.
If Scientology changed Xenu’s name to Jesus and then went around calling itself “The One True Church of Christ”, that would be blasphemy as well.
“When I asked, “Who does?””
netmilsmom asked that question in post 204. Are you admitting here that “netmilsmom” is just one of your sock puppets?
“Would you be so kind as to show me exactly where it elevates Mary above Christ?”
I did this already in post 327. Here it is again for your edification:
“Perhaps you are blind to it but post 182 elevates Mary by placing her as the head of the Head of the Body of Christ.
It is concealed by replacing the word “head” with the word “mother”. The word “mother” is a title that denotes authority. God Himself takes the title of Father. It grants Mary authority she doesn’t have in Scripture. In Scripture she has no authority at all.
Humans that in their hearts do not love God and have turned away from His Son, have created an idol for themselves that they prefer instead. A woman. They much prefer to pray to and worship and love this woman idol than God.”
1978 — 32 years is as the blink of an eye.
BTW, IT IS MY OPINION ONLY that St. Paul was likely insane.
Lol. Of course Jesus founded the Catholic Church. He made Peter the first Pope. Pretty instense story in that Bible. You should really read it sometime.
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