Catholic Church Facilitates Foreign Invasion

**The Bishops said they AGREED with the healthcare bill (that steal our private health insurance and our wages)...but wanted different abortion language. And liberal Catholic Nuns made a splash supporting the bill.**

No they didn't. The vehemently opposed it and still do oppose it. Please check out these FR threads.

A bad bill and how we got it (Archbishop Chaput on "a failure of decent lawmaking")
Denver Archbishop Criticizes CHA 'Counter-Witness' Against Bishops on Health Care
Catholic Bishops’ Plea to Congress: Do Not Pass Pro-abortion Health Care Bill
U.S. Bishops’ final plea to Congressmen: Do not pass pro-abortion health care bill
U.S. Bishops’ final plea to Congressmen: Do not pass pro-abortion health care bill

Cardinal O'Malley rips pro-Obama Catholics on health care
U.S. bishops, dissenting Catholics face off in in health care debate
Practical Politics 101 (remedial: for US bishops) [Is it time to contact our Bishops?]
Opinion: Speaker Pelosi’s Bishop Corrects her Once Again. Call to Catholic Action.
Pelosi’s archbishop slams her rationale for supporting abortion

Mandated Abortion Coverage Threatens Health Care Reform, U.S. Bishops Official Says
Alveda King: Reid's Racial Insensitivity Exceeded by Disregard for Unborn
U.S. bishops reactivate nationwide campaign against federal abortion funding
Battle Over Abortion Funding in Congress Pits Catholics Against Each Other
New Catholic mandate on comatose patients

The US Catholic Bishops and Health Care Reform: A Failure of Imagination
US Bishops' Biggest Hope: Life-Affirming Care for All
Abortion Debate Shows the Catholic Bishops' Growing Influence
The Catholic case against health-care reform
Pro-Life Leaders Launch Opposition to Senate Health Bill Following Nelson Amendment Demise

With pro-life amendment's defeat, US bishops urgently call for changes in Senate health bill
More Proof that the US Catholic Bishops are Leading the Charge in Abortion Battle
Bishops Urge Senators to Support [Abortion]Amendment on Health Care; Urge Constituents to Back It
Bishops urged to be tough on pols who would pay for abortion
Health reform still full of thorny problems for Catholics (Vasa comes out for subsidiarity)

Healthcare and Catholics: True and False Arguments

Meddling Bishops Interfere in Political Process

How the Stupak-Pitts Amendment May Change Our Politics
Health Care and the Power of the Bishops' Conference
US Bishops: Abortion Isn't Health Care
Denver Archbishop Chaput says promises were broken on abortion
Catholic Bishops: Health Care Bill ... ‘Money-Laundering System’ for Funding Abortion

Catholic Caucus: The Bishops Go On Offense
US bishops conference mounts late drive against 'unacceptable' health-care reform
Catholic Bishops Urge Members to Oppose Abortion Funding in Health Care Plan [Catholic Uprising!]
Bishops Announce Unprecedented Massive Catholic Opposition to Obamacare
Bishops Call for Massive Catholic Opposition to Abortion in Current Health Care Reform

Archbishop Charles Chaput on the Current Struggle Between Catholics and "Caesar"
The Bishop's Ax Falls on Obama. And on the Vatican Curia (bombshell article)
US Bishops: Heath Package Still Funding Abortions (Urge Congress to Keep Working)
Catholic Bishops Declare They Will ‘Vigorously’ Oppose Health Care Bill as It Now Stands
Bishops Restate Vow vs. Obamacare's Abortion

Important: US Bishops taking the gloves off on health care reform
BREAKING: Catholic Bishops On Health Care - Change Bills Or Else
U.S. bishops warn of vigorous opposition if Congress fails to fix health care bills
List: *41* Bishops against Obamacare (and counting!)
Bishop Murphy Issues Video Statement on Health Care Reform [Diocese of Rockville Centre]

Health Care Principles [Bishop Samuel Aquila, Fargo, ND]
Florida Bishop [Thomas Wenski] Weighs in on Health Care Reform
ObamaCare and Catholic social teaching [Bishop Neckless]
Some Catholic bishops question gov't health care
Boston’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....

Iowa Bishop: Don’t Be Railroaded into the Current...Health Care Proposals
in a message issued by the Diocese of Sioux City (The Church on Universal Healthcare)
Nazi Health Care A Catholic Bishop Speaks Out Against "End of Life Care" (Germany, 1941)
Bishop Nickless: "No Health Care Reform is Better than the Wrong Health Care Reform"
Cardinal Rigali, Abp. Chaput Intensify Warnings Against Obamacare's Abortion Expansion

The gospel of “Social Justice” was preached since Vatican II when many Catholics dreamed of being just like the mainline Protestants. This thank God has been slowly filtered out of the Church. If these priests and nuns had any sense of decency they would be attending mainline Protestant services and treating the Protestants to their " Brilliant" ideas.

Mainline Protestants have always been to the right of Catholics, and still are, until recent years, they were way, way to the right.

http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2009/09-013.shtml

Thanks for the links Salvation, I will ck them out....but my complaint is with the very powerful and influential USCCB for very publicly supporting Obama’s “universal healthcare bill”, saying many times over many months that it was a “good bill” that they agreed with its purpose.

EXCEPT for the abortion language.

Correct, but this does not negate the fact that they and (therefore the Catholic Church imo), support the Democrat Party's drive for the diminution of liberty in the US. They agree with Universal, governmental, socialist healthcare.

Universal Healthcare will steal our family's private health insurance and our earnings for generations to come.

It will diminish our individual health and our nations wealth. And will grow government to an astonishing level.

This new law will also make conservative politics impossible...who will campaign to take away healthcare? And who will vote for any conservative who does?

Unless this is repealed, Conservatism is deader than it is already. How does it help to promote pro-life and other conservative values if we are even more weakened?

Is this the goal of the Catholic Church? To grow the State? How is this conducive to human freedoms?

OK, tell me this.

If one teacher at a middle school sexually abuses a student, does that indict all the other teachers? No.

Does that mean the entire school is unfit for learning? No.

You cannot speak about the entire Catholic Church is such generalities as you do. It’s just like the media telling us we elected Obama................when most of us didn’t want him.

Go figure. Do Catholics put all protestants into little cubbyholes like this? No.

So, no way, can you put the entire Catholic Church and ALL Catholics, as you say, into this little cubbyhole you have crafted with words. It just doesn’t work.

Please don’t say that I as a Catholic support illegal immigration just because I am a Catholic. That’s nonsense. Get my drift?????

I certainly hope so.

Having been exposed to the “Great” mainline ministers of the second half of the 20th Century , conservative and orthodox Protestants such as Bishop James Pike, Bishop Shelby Spong, Marcus Borg, Jesus Seminar members, ELCA, et al I wonder if some mainline Protestants still believe in God or have they become cultural Protestants to join with the spiritual bankrupt Catholics of Vatican II. The aforementioned ministers were the ones who dominated the headlines for so long that they gave the appearance of representing all mainline Protestantism even if this was a false impression. Many Catholics believe that absent the Fundamental types as Baptists, mainline Protestantism have evolved into a social club.
The Catholic Church is slowly excising its radical leftist elements so dominant after Vatican II. There is a widely held perception among Catholics, that mainline Protestants, starting with the Lambeth Conference of 1928 no longer ascribe to historical Christian doctrines. The mainline Protestantism of Spong , Berg, Pike, coupled with the ordination of Gays and women is the mainline Protestantism familiar to most Catholics so to state that Protestants are to the right of Catholicism is absurd.

Of course, and again, as I explained above...I am speaking of the leadership, the authorities, the men who have influence and persuasive power, the men in the Church who are there to protect all of us no matter what faith one holds.

No men of God in any faith should be encouraging the secular left to power.

And he’s not a Mexican. He is a naturalized citizen. He knows how to do it the right way! Please get your facts before you start slamming people around.

He's touted as being able to relate well to the huge Mexican population of the diocese because he's Mexican. I made no reference to his citizenship ... you did. I have to wonder what sort of negative sterotypes you've internalized, to think that saying Gomez is Mexican, is "slamming people around."

You and I have had some very pleasant exchanges in the past, Salvation. Let's do try to keep it that way, please. I'm quite capable of setting theological differences aside when the topic is not theological. I'd thought the same of you.

He goes on, "When Catholic immigrants become naturalized, they may vote for candidates who support church policies."

If by church policies you mean urestricted abortion and "gay marriage," then yes. If you mean traditional Catholic moral positions, then no. Like Black Protestants, Hispanic Catholics are thoroughly in the pocket of the forces of moral nihilism.

The hijacking of the Catholic Church by Marxist elements is now front and center. Who in the major media has the courage and guts to write about it?

The liberal media isn't the least bit afraid to attack the Catholic Church (they've shown that with their witch hunt against the current Pope). However, immigration is one issue where the liberal media agree with the Catholic hierarchy, so don't expect any exposure of this issue other than claims of "nativist Protestant bigotry."

I have no daoubt that he can relate well with the Hispanics. I just thought you were a little harsh in your calling him a Mexican and not knowing that he was a U. S. Naturalized citizen.

I admire him for that.

I don’t think he will be an easy mark like Cardinal Mahony was at all. He will either teach them the right way to become a citizen or ask them to return to their homeland.

Guess we’ll both have to wait and see, won’t we?

I grew up in Western Nebraska where the word Mexican was used to describe the Hispanics as much the “N” word would describe the black population. I detest the word “Mexican.” So you pegged me right there.

I’m not attacking you as a person...it was the language and the fact that you didn’t know about Archbishop’s quest for American citizenship that caused my rant.

Are we friends again?

The mainline Protestantism of Spong , Berg, Pike, coupled with the ordination of Gays and women is the mainline Protestantism familiar to most Catholics so to state that Protestants are to the right of Catholicism is absurd.

I said that mainline Protestants are to the right of Catholics and they are.

They show that in every election at the voting booth. including in 2008 when they voted for McCain while Catholics voted for Obama.

Like Black Protestants, Hispanic Catholics are thoroughly in the pocket of the forces of moral nihilism.

Interestingly, Protestant Hispanics are fairly Republican, in 2004 they went 56% Republican, and in 2008, they went 48% Republican.

Mainline Protestants have always been to the right of Catholics,

How come I never see any of those mainline Protestants protesting at Planned Parenthood abortuaries and why did they all cave after the 1930 Lambeth conference? You need to stop smoking dope.

I grew up in Western Nebraska where the word Mexican was used to describe the Hispanics as much the “N” word would describe the black population.

I've never heard that, in Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and so on, Mexican is the way that you would even describe your wife or husband in many conversations if they were Mexican Hispanic. We all know what it means.

LOL, yes the press releases, statements, and politicking coming from the Church do give us a giant side of a barn to “paint”!

Maybe you should drop them a line?

Interestingly, Protestant Hispanics are fairly Republican,

I'm happy to hear it. I guess Hispanic Protestants are centered on theology rather than liberal ethnic politics.

in 2004 they went 56% Republican, and in 2008, they went 48% Republican.

Uh-oh. Not good.

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