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Brother Brigham forces the LDS reader to ponder some uncomfortable thoughts
Ogden Standard-Examiner ^ | April 22, 2010 | Doug Gibson

Posted on 04/23/2010 9:33:26 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: MHGinTN
Best to place a nasty littleman agitprop is on the ignore list.

Officially done. Dusting off the shoes as we speak.

21 posted on 04/23/2010 11:28:20 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.)
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To: 999replies; Godzilla

Quit while you're behind doesn't register does it...

22 posted on 04/23/2010 11:29:40 AM PDT by ejonesie22 ( Tagline being renovated under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act...)
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To: colorcountry
Want to have some fun, look at their home page, then ramble through their posting history.

See if you can find the irony...

23 posted on 04/23/2010 11:31:05 AM PDT by ejonesie22 ( Tagline being renovated under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act...)
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To: 999replies; colorcountry
I thought you always preached that mormons don't believe in the trinity and that they only believe that Jesus is God?

No on the latter. (They teach Jesus is one of many, many gods...they reduce Jesus to just one god among a multi-level marketing divine scheme...they don't even know who's head of their grand "council of gods"...and obviously if you are a polytheist, you are by definition not a trinitarian).

Then how could a 14-year-old boy be "visted by Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ"?

Well these were the journalist's words -- not mine. Even in the official Mormon account of this, these "beings" are only identified as "personages" and one as the "son" of the other. (It's the Mormons who read into who it was, if it even happened at all, which I don't believe it did).

24 posted on 04/23/2010 11:43:04 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Who’s uncomfortable? I’m not.

If you exposed yourself more to Mormon teachings, perhaps your uncomfortability level -- especially in defending them -- might rise.

Example - their 4th "President-Prophet" Wilford Woodruff said in 1881: The Jews...are to-day being persecuted in European nations. Why? Because that curse of God rests upon them and will rest upon them until Shiloh comes, until they are regathered to Jerusalem and re-build the city in un-belief. You cannot convert a Jew. They will never believe in Jesus Christ until he comes to them in Jerusalem... (June 12, 1881, Journal of Discourses, 22:173)

Are you "comfortable" with Mormon "prophets" making these kind of "curse" pronouncements? (Certainly he falsely prophesied about not being able to convert a Jew...there's been thousands of Messianic Jews)

25 posted on 04/23/2010 11:56:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
It's funny, the beginnings of Mormonism are so fresh in history. It's amazing so many people fall for the obvious fraud.

Smith claims to have had a 'vision,' but even he calls visions "dreams." Behold, I have dreamed a dream; or, in other words, I have seen a vision. 1 Nephi 8:2

Would you join a religion because of the dreams of a man.

I guess millions of Muslims did.

26 posted on 04/23/2010 12:01:15 PM PDT by colorcountry ( Fraud and falsehood only dread examination. Truth invites it.)
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To: Colofornian
 
 
 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.

27 posted on 04/23/2010 12:18:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Who’s uncomfortable? I’m not.

Then be good on this thread or you might become uncomfortable.

28 posted on 04/23/2010 12:19:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 999replies
...God visiting a boy ain't very extreme...

And neither is two Angels of Light, evidently.

The bible did NOT warn about GOD visiting a 'boy', but He DID warn about Satan's minions doing it!


2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

29 posted on 04/23/2010 12:23:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Then be good on this thread or you might become uncomfortable.

Always am chief. BTW, being asked to leave a thread doesn't do much to my "comfort" level. I realize the deck is stacked against me with your likeminded moderator.

30 posted on 04/23/2010 2:46:32 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Colofornian
Are you "comfortable" with Mormon "prophets" making these kind of "curse" pronouncements? (Certainly he falsely prophesied about not being able to convert a Jew...there's been thousands of Messianic Jews)

Why would I have a problem with that? As long as they don't strap a bomb on I'm fine.

31 posted on 04/23/2010 2:49:32 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Colofornian
Are you "comfortable" with Mormon "prophets" making these kind of "curse" pronouncements? (Certainly he falsely prophesied about not being able to convert a Jew...there's been thousands of Messianic Jews)

Why would I have a problem with that? As long as they don't strap a bomb on I'm fine.

32 posted on 04/23/2010 2:49:56 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; Elsie
Always am chief. BTW, being asked to leave a thread doesn't do much to my "comfort" level. I realize the deck is stacked against me with your likeminded moderator.

You've had a FReeper suspension going back years...(or was that a given moderator's issue, too?)

33 posted on 04/23/2010 3:15:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
You've had a FReeper suspension going back years...(or was that a given moderator's issue, too?)

I've had a few. Yes, moderator issues. Thanx for sharing. I feel like I'm in school. Have you given moderator an apple? sheesh.

34 posted on 04/23/2010 3:26:45 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Colofornian; Invincibly Ignorant

suspension

oh dear you have nothing else going BTW for you to know that it made me think you are a moderator


35 posted on 04/23/2010 3:40:35 PM PDT by restornu (My awareness is like the Lord added few more rungs to my ladder.)
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To: restornu
oh dear you have nothing else going BTW for you to know that it made me think you are a moderator

(No. But maybe I should apply?)

36 posted on 04/23/2010 3:44:30 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Why not it would not change things!


37 posted on 04/23/2010 3:47:19 PM PDT by restornu (My awareness is like the Lord added few more rungs to my ladder.)
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To: restornu
oh dear you have nothing else going BTW for you to know that it made me think you are a moderator

Oh no dear, are you having those thoughts?

38 posted on 04/23/2010 4:16:52 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Huh?


39 posted on 04/23/2010 4:18:48 PM PDT by restornu (My awareness is like the Lord added few more rungs to my ladder.)
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To: restornu

Are you feeling excluded from the self-moderator department?


40 posted on 04/23/2010 4:20:35 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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