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To: kosta50
The entire New Testament teaches suboridinatonist Trinity.

No it doesn't You haven't read Jesus own words then.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

John 14:5 Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

Colossians 2: 6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

2,635 posted on 04/28/2010 1:24:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
"No it doesn't You haven't read Jesus own words then."

Well done! You are a little like Babe Ruth. You may strike out a lot, but when you get a hold of one you knock it out of the park. This substantiates what I have been saying about the Gospels being the center of the Revealed Word with all other texts serving a supportive role.

2,636 posted on 04/28/2010 1:39:26 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: metmom
No it doesn't You haven't read Jesus own words then

It seems to me it is you who needs to read some more... :)

2,645 posted on 04/28/2010 3:44:03 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: metmom

WELL PUT.


2,646 posted on 04/28/2010 3:49:40 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom; kosta50
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

This is as close as it gets. This one line alone does not justify the overruling of all the subordinationalist verses in the NT.

John 14:5-11 says that the Father is in Jesus and Jesus in the Father. Not entirely explicit, and does not indicate the Trinity.

Colossians 2:9 says that the fullness of the Deity exists in bodily form. Again, not entirely explicit and does not indicate the Trinity.

2,648 posted on 04/28/2010 4:39:28 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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