[Mad Dawg]

CERTAINLY HE has to do all that, effect all that . . . the flesh, the carnal flesh in and of itself is only death.

HE ALONE IS RESURRECTION LIFE—IN US, IN THE WORLD, IN CREATION.

This is, IMHO, the key to Paul.

In Adam and Eve we turned our back on the source of the spirit which made us living souls. We have been dying every since, dying spiritually and physically.

In Christ, into whom we are grafted by the Spirit, by the instrumentality of Baptism, that dying is in principle accomplished. And in Christ we are given His Spirit. So now such life as is in us is not ours but His.

And between now and our 'falling asleep' it is all the old man dying and the new man coming to life. The travail of which Paul speaks in Romans is OUR being born, and what feel like death agonies are really birth pangs.

@ SFA: Sheen really was remarkable.

[editor-surveyor]

Correct, except that baptism had nothing to do with it.

Birth, Death, and Ressurection are the story.

[Quix]

I agree. Again.

Look Bro. Ya gotta quite posting things I can agree so much with.

You’ll tarnish my Protty credentials.

I have a reputation to keep up! Sheesh!