Posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:57 PM PDT by stfassisi
Then you saying God did The wrong thing because Israelites bend down front of the Ark which had the statues in other words, God almighty really means like the pagans do. Not to worship. When you look at a picture of your kin you honor{venrate] not worship Them. But thats too complicated for you. Answer why did he the put angels on the ark . He can’t contradict himself. He obvouisly put them there for man to know who protect it. Or to remind man of his power. Hello!
10-4 What they don’t understand is they are unknowingly accusing God of wrong. If what they say is an absolute definite no graven image commandment. Then God himself sinned by telling Moses { a human being} to sin by making the Ark with the two angel statues. We know God cannot sin. If he did he would go against his Holy character. That is impossible.There is a logic to the scriptures without having an explicit explanation. And this is where they get lost. It can be implicit first then by reading other passages it will come out with analytical thought. They just Don’t see it. They been told a lot of junk about the Catholic Church so they refused to use the proper reasoning. Its like what Bishop Sheen said about the misunderstandings of certain non-catholics christians have about us.
a)it's not goofy, and b)nothing netmilsmom has posted has undermind Christ's work on the cross. Nothing, not even the presbyterian demented liar Calvin, can undermine Christ's work on the cross. Your statement is impossible and c)netmilsmom is not in error.
But it shows how RC apologists end up stranded, hanging from a broken limb of their own making in spite of the fact Christ rests beneath them, ready to save them, if they would just release the error and believe the truth.
What "shows how RC apologists end up stranded"? That's a non sequitur. I've noticed a number of them in your posts.
Is the Lord's prayer missing from your bible? Is the doxology? Seriously? Is the Magnificat missing? One problem could be if you don't read the GOSPELS.
When Jesus Christ said, in the GOSPEL, "Before Abraham was, I am" did you think He meant something else other than that He existed before Abraham? When was Christ 8 days old? Jesus Christ is God become Human. I have no doubt that if He wished, He could have declined to respect Jewish law and refused a circumcision, no matter how old YOU say He was. Sometimes I wonder if presbyterians think Christ Jesus wasn't God until He began His ministry by being baptized by John. I have a news flash: Before Abraham was, Jesus IS.
I have noticed that our critics want to make all the rules in debates. ie: Rule #1 Everything Catholics do is bad and will lead them to hell. Rule #2 When in doubt, refer to Rule #1.
Very often, your posts seem to follow a pattern, as though they are a program on your computer. A lot of the criticism seems to be repetitive, no matter the topic. For instance, that line of yours that I quoted above. Catholics debate THEIR RELIGION according to CATHOLIC BELIEFS, not according to presbyterian beliefs. Christ founded our Church, not that insane misogynistic feeble-minded killer Calvin.
Another funny one coming from a Protestant. Redefining the debate occurred in the 1500's with the doctrinal invention of Sola Scriptura.
“That’s odd.”
That tickled me, the way you said that.
“The RCC practices a loony superstition which only confuses the Gospel message.”
I think perhaps your role here is to be a thorn in the paw of those of us who lack charity.
Course, that might not get you off the hook for the things you say.
“I’ve read the Bible more times than I can count. I have yet to find a so-called rosary anywhere.”
I have an urge to ask this from time to time:
Are you under the impression that our Lord and Savior said *nothing* more than what is in the red letters of a King James New Testament?
He never said, “Pass the wine,” or “Nice day, isn’t it?” He never communicated anthing important to anyone that isn’t right there in those red letters.
Really?
He never looked up from the dinner table and sent a bolt of truth right through the Apostles that didn’t find its way into those red letters?
Really?
When he came walking over the water, no words passed His lips except those few that are reported?
Really?
He suddenly turned to Saint Peter and said (roughly, allowing for idiom), “I call you Rock because you are a rock, and upon this (R)rock I will build My Church.” (Jesus made a pun? Whooda thunk it? Do you suppose He smiled or chuckled at His word play?)
In the course of a full, eventful day, He never said anything else to the Apostles that was momentous? Those few words were the sum total of what He had to say on that occasion?
Really?
When we think of a secular historical figure, we sort of tend to imagine him interacting fairly normally with those around him. But when it comes to Jesus, it seems that His jaws were locked down tight, except as indicated by those red letters.
Go figure.
Of course, He then went on to say, “...and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”
“As St. Peter, by divine revelation, here made a solemn profession of his faith of the divinity of Christ; so in recompense of this faith and profession, our Lord here declares to him the dignity to which he is pleased to raise him: viz., that he to whom he had already given the name of Peter, signifying a rock, St. John 1. 42, should be a rock indeed, of invincible strength, for the support of the building of the church; in which building he should be, next to Christ himself, the chief foundation stone, in quality of chief pastor, ruler, and governor; and should have accordingly all fullness of ecclesiastical power, signified by the keys of the kingdom of heaven. So that, by the plain course of the words, Peter is here declared to be the rock upon which the church was to be built: Christ himself being both the principal foundation and founder of the same. Where also note, that Christ, by building his house, that is, his church, upon a rock, has thereby secured it against all storms and floods, like the wise builder, St. Matt. 7. 24, 25. The gates of hell, etc... That is, the powers of darkness, and whatever Satan can do, either by himself, or his agents. For as the church is here likened to a house, or fortress, built on a rock; so the adverse powers are likened to a contrary house or fortress, the gates of which, that is, the whole strength, and all the efforts it can make, will never be able to prevail over the city or church of Christ. By this promise we are fully assured that neither idolatry, heresy, nor any pernicious error whatsoever shall at any time prevail over the church of Christ.”
(The above explanations were written by someone else, but I’m not sure who.)
If Lucifer himself shall not prevail, what chance do you figure a handful of protestants armed with nothing but false accusations have?
Why don’t you guys just settle down and start acting right?
My last note should have been addressed to evangmlw, rather than to you.
Sorry.
Yes, because I am NOT the one who said, “I’ve read the Bible more times than I can count. I have yet to find a so-called rosary anywhere.”
I am familiar with the Biblical basis for the Rosary, and the Mysteries being based on Christ’s birth, life, death and resurrection. What I don’t understand is why protestants don’t get it.
I'm not so sure. We've been told by the presbyterians and other protestants several times that they love Catholics, and only a deep concern that we will probably rot in hell for all eternity leads them to "correct" our "erroneous" views.
You know, the idol worship, the repetitious prayers, calling priests "Father" and totally getting the Eucharist wrong. Stuff like that.
You forgot to mention about those who define Catholicism as “loony”, “nutty” and “creepy”.
“Loving the individual Catholic” by damning his core beliefs, all the while repeatedly misrepresenting those core beliefs.
And the safety net of anonimity is the advantage of this whole process.
In that way, Jesus is like Jack Bauer.
He never went to the bathroom. XD
I did forget! If they really get going on the name-calling, though, I start laughing. Honestly! Don’t these people have a life?
They seem to be trying to outdo the democrat/socialists in criticizing the Church.
And, for all their insistence on the Holy Scripture, they seem remarkably ignorant of the GOSPELS. Now that I have made an issue of it, I expect to see a lot more gospel posts.
Then by your definition your kids are necromancers?
“”For Roman Catholic apologists to say every drop of blood the Christ child shed...... blood the infant Jesus lost when He was circumcised, all go towards saving sinners is idolatry.””
Dr E ,Don’t you realize that EVERYTHING in the life of Christ is about Salvation?
You miss out on so much richness and typology of Christian faith to reflect upon.
I suggest you read the following article...
http://www.circumstitions.com/leo.html
Excerpts..
A third constant in Patristic writings is the Circumcision of Christ conceived as continuous with his work of redemption. Since the debt incurred by the sin of Adam cannot be met by Adam’s insolvent progeny and since Christ’s blood pays the ransom his Circumcision becomes, as it were, a first installment, a down payment on behalf of mankind.
And one final point. Patristic literature associates the timing of the Circumcision on the eighth day with Resurrection. Here the argument rests on the kind of mystical numerology we no longer take seriously, but it did formerly engage some great minds. The reasoning runs somewhat as follows. Seven is the number of completion and fullness, for the world was created in seven days, and is due to pass through seven ages. But if seven is perfect, then seven-plus-one is pluperfect. Eight, therefore, stands for renewal, regeneration — whence the architectural tradition of eight-sided baptistries. And Christ rose from the dead on the day superseding the Sabbath, on the eighth day just as the world’s seven ages will be followed in the eighth age by the General Resurrection. These notions attach themselves almost from the beginning to all theological meditation on Christ’s Circumcision. From St. Justin Martyr in the 2nd century to St. Thomas Aquinas, it is the sense of the mystery that the Circumcision on the eighth day prefigures Christ’s Resurrection, and thereby, implicitly, the resurrection of all
“I’ve read the Bible more times than I can count. I have yet to find a so-called rosary anywhere. Another example of folks adding to the Scripture; please Lord, come and put a stop to this spiritual ignoroance.”
Keep reading!
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