These Fred Phelps types just seem to multiply in the religion forum. If I didn't actually know better, reading the religion forum threads, the only conclusion I could draw would be that protestantism's basic thread is hatred.
Posted on 04/08/2010 11:36:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Unfortunately many evil people refuse the repent because deep down they hate Christ.
All you can do is pray for them.
These Fred Phelps types just seem to multiply in the religion forum. If I didn't actually know better, reading the religion forum threads, the only conclusion I could draw would be that protestantism's basic thread is hatred.
I can name three currently in prison, one of whom was laicized, but not civilly convicted at the time (the offense wasn't criminally illegal, truthfully, but was a violation of the office of the confessional), and is incarcerated in another state for a crime committed after his release from the priestly state. At least when he was buried within the archdiocese in a place with no ministerial contact, he was under a sort of house arrest. Once this man was laicized and turned loose on society...well, another person out there suffered and probably now has a life ruined.
Someone on another thread said something about this all being a planned attack - I think there is something to it. It’s all too coordinated using the NYT, AP and other media outlets sympathetic to the “progressive” cause. It really does smack of a plan being carried out. The word choices, the innuendo, the carefully excised details and facts - rather Alinsky-esque, actually.
Yes, it is. Thanks for posting that graph; I was going to do so myself.
The scandal has provided various groups with various agendas a hook to hang their hats on. The (political) Left wants the Church discredited so as to ram through legal support for various immoralities the Church opposes. The (political) Right wouldn't mind having the Church out of the way too much, either, because she reminds them that their favorite wars are subject to the principles of jus ad bellum and jus in bello, that torture is intrinsically evil, and that they really ought to something besides pay lip-service to the pro-life issues. Liberal dissenters within the Church see it as an opportunity to reshape our theology and disciplines until they're no longer recognizably Christian, rather like the Anglicans have done. Reactionary dissenters would like to pretend that all was rainbows and unicorns before the irredeemably evil Second Vatican Council initiated an "auto-demolition"; the facts don't support that thesis either.
Finally, we come to the prejudices of our separated brethren, who would like to induce a sense of demoralization among us, so that we will come to find the reallio-trulio Jesus in the Third Fifty-Ninth Street Baptist Methodist Episcopal Foursquare Full-Gospel Church of God in Christ and Part-Time Bar and Grill. Pointing out that their own similar problems makes their argument problematic is unlikely to be well-received, but this, too, is a bit of hard data they have so far refused to reckon with.
Why continue to be Catholic then? Because the Catholic Church is the historical Church founded by Jesus Christ. Because it created Western Civilization and Christendom, before the latter was smashed by Protestants, giving aid and comfort to the Muslim invaders. Because it understands human nature in the light of Christ's teachings better than anybody, and has worked out practical methods of applying them to community life at all levels of political organization. Because the efficacy of the sacraments are not dependent upon the personal sanctity of the priest who administers them. Because the experience of most of us under most conditions is that of priests who keep their vows and do not engage in corrupt behavior. And, finally, because Jesus Himself told us that there would be tares among the wheat, and that we were not to try to eliminate the former as we might end up damaging the latter in the process.
So, sorry, dear separated brethren and sisters in Christ. Your campaign of demoralization is doomed to failure.
The pope must have many enemies. And you recall how John Paul decided not to take on the Jesuits,some of whom sit in the synagogue of satan. A pope is not an emperor, and even a man as determined as Pius V has only a limited ability to control events. The Holy Father cannot move beyond where his strength can take him. Pray for him that he might outsmart and outlast them. But God’s will be done.
It is as if orchestrated from the White House. The Church came close to scuttling the healthcare bill. This despite the large number of liberals in strategic places in the Church. The Notre Dame Catholics gave the House Catholics a convenient cover. although it was probably the brutal tactics of the leadership that persuaded them to vote for the bill. The timing is just suspicious.
I doubt it was the White House. This effort demonstrates a competence the current administration has yet to display in any capacity.
What a breath of fresh among stink weeds of denial.
OOps.... fresh air
The only stink here is the stench of Satan...the bigotry and hatred deep within the heart that destroys the soul and ultimately is hatred of Christ. It seems to now be a central tenet of modern protestantism.
OOps.... fresh air
The pope throughout the history of the catholic church has had many enemies, often times within the ranks at the vatican itself. It is a powerful political position as well as of the catholic church as you know. The two will always be inseperable, just some use that influence more than others. I think the actual power lies with the popes advisors, if they withhold information he is powerless to fight what he is not informed of. There seems to be a break in the communication lines, as to the degree of homosexuality and the deeds that followed, that were given to the pope. Like a husband cheating on a wife..she is usually the last to know.
Most of what you say is correct except for blaming protestantism.
The Rev Amorth, the man who has served as the Vatican’s chief exorcist for 25 years, says the signs are there: ”The devil has infiltrated St. Peter’s. When one speaks of ‘the smoke of Satan’ in the holy rooms, it is all true — including these latest stories of violence and pedophilia. The Vatican, is the home to “cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon.”
Sure is a scary place if you are into demons, satan and such.
I think what needs to be remembered is just that...life is ruined for the victims of these crimes and added to this knowing that those who assaulted them will not do jail time for their crimes. A few perhaps, but on the whole it doesn't appear to be the case, so they are indeed on the lose, and no doubt others will be victims.
In part our society is equally as much to blame for these victims as we allow the homosexual agenda to continue... and I do believe Christ will hold us accountable for this. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle as it's “prettied” to be. It is a choice of who and where one selects sex with. It is a sexual sin against another as well as ones own body...needless to say against God...and the results affect the whole body of believers. Including those of other denominations.
Though I am not catholic I feel greatly for those within the denomination who have to contend and rid their church of this...it is an ugly foe to face and will not loosen it's stronghold quickly. May Christ himself strengthen and give great courage to those who can and will rid this from the church.
I did read about this Rev Amorth...interesting as well. He called it as he saw it. Though men do choose their way I do believe in satanic influence on the hearts and minds of men. Still, at some point there is a battle and who wins is up to the individual if he fights or yields.
It may not be his advisers but in Rome outside of his “circle.” who have their own agendas. Like a president, the pope can only do so much to fill places with his friends. John Paul’s long reign allowed him to replace many who were not in sympathy with him and the Holy Father has personal knowledge of the “players.” But he cannot view people the way a president does, which is a mere tool. or deal with his enemies as a prince might.
We know the whole thing was a "planned attack," going back all the way to the beginning.
The question is only, "Was it planned by fallen angelic beings only, or was there deliberate planning by human agencies as well?"
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