[RobbyS]

Of course not. Paul VI was the most liberal pope we have ever had. Like Louis XVI, he was a major player in his own tragedy. But we must take care in assigning blame. Look at the rejection of Humanae Vitae by virtually the whole Western Church. Look at the spread of liberation theology, the sudden collapse of traditionalist church such as in Quebec. At bottom, it was the victory of modernism.

[Leoni]

The difference between Paul VI and John Paul II, was that Paul VI had a bad publicist. John XXII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, ALL progressives. God chose them for some reason, I think to get the damage over and done with quicker. The Catholics that survive, will be only the hot Catholics, the lukewarm have fallen along with the cold. The people get they popes that they desire.

[Leoni]

The people get the popes that they desire.