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To: D-fendr
I think there can be a difference between facts and truth

One of the problems I find on the FR, especially on the Religion Forum, is that people make up word meanings the way they make up their beliefs. It is no wonder that we tend to talk past each other.

The agreed upon meaning of the word truth is synonymous with fact, which can be verified by a simple reference to any dictionary.

Now, if we are going to make up our own meanings then the whole point of any discussion meaningless, which is becoming apparent more and more every day on these threads.

I also think that there are objective or non-conditional truths - myths can be true in this sense though not factual

And how do you prove what is not factual? You don't.

24 posted on 04/09/2010 9:08:37 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50
The agreed upon meaning of the word truth is synonymous with fact

They are often used as synonyms but they are different words with different meanings also.

And how do you prove what is not factual? You don't.

Some facts can be proved. It's also proven that all that is true is not provable - Gödel. I.e., the sets of "true" and "provable" are not identities.

And since this has been proven, you'd have to agree that it is "fact."

25 posted on 04/09/2010 9:55:16 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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