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Five Problems, Five Solutions (Catholic Caucus)
The New Liturgical Movement ^ | March 25, 2010 | Jeffrey Tucker

Posted on 04/05/2010 4:09:27 PM PDT by Desdemona

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To: AnAmericanMother

Thank-you, that would interest me. I can learn it, it will be done a little more careful and with effort to listen to the person(s) next to me.


41 posted on 04/06/2010 9:31:26 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl
Absolutely there are English translations. We sing the English interlinearly with the Latin, verse by verse, except for the "Tantum ergo" which is sung in Latin only.

I prefer the English version in the Episcopal hymnal. This is the translation of the "Tantum ergo". As I noted above, the Piskies' theology and politics are suspect, but their musical taste is impeccable.

"Therefore we, before him bending, this great Sacrament revere.
Types and shadows have their ending, for the newer Rite is here.
Faith our outward sense befriending, makes the inward vision clear.

Glory let us give and blessing, to the Father and the Son
Honor, thanks, and praise addressing, while eternal ages run,
Ever too his love confessing, who from both with both is One.

Amen."

42 posted on 04/06/2010 9:33:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Desdemona; Salvation
"Minutiae" ought to be my middle name -- I love the details of performance practice and tend to bore on and on about it.

But once you get into really singing liturgical music with the idea of being as good as you can possibly be, for God's honor and glory, then all this stuff becomes fascinating (well, o.k., at least to me it does).

The deeper you go into it, the richer and more entrancing it becomes. After all, the style has survived for hundreds and hundreds of years and will survive long after Haugen/Haas and the St. Looey Jebbies are nothing but a bad dream.

43 posted on 04/06/2010 9:37:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Biggirl
Since I come from the straight-up, buttoned-down Anglican tradition, singing spirituals is very very difficult for me.

Our Episcopal choirmaster used to essay a spiritual every now and then, then he'd throw down his baton and look at us all with total disgust and say, "You all sound so . . . white!"

"Well - DUUUHHHHH!" we would all chorus back.

Since I'm Scotch-Irish to the bone, singing the "Sacred Harp" spiritual songs comes much more naturally.

44 posted on 04/06/2010 9:43:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Last Advent, during a carols and leasons presentation at my parish, the regular music minister taught the choir and I a beautiful song about the Blessed Mother.
The chant song is called “Felix Namque”, “Thou Art Glad Indeed”. First I remember the English words were spoken first, then the song was sung in beautiful Latin. I did the whole song in Latin, by lots of practice and listening to the next person.

I do believe that learning chant can be done.


45 posted on 04/06/2010 9:45:37 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl
Found a splendid version on YouTube immediately:

Felix namque es

This is a rather difficult chant tone.

46 posted on 04/06/2010 9:56:14 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother; All

This version of “If He Changed My Name” by Jeniffer Bynun Greene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNk57qEWiEU&feature=related


47 posted on 04/06/2010 10:08:09 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Beautiful and touching. :)


48 posted on 04/06/2010 10:10:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl
am a member of a parish choir and just doing the last two verses of the Holy Thursday procession hymm ( in Latin ) before the body of the Lord was placed in speical adoration alter by St. Thomas Aquintas was very hard.

The Pange Lingua? We sang 17 verses this year. I guess since I've sung it for about 25 years in a row... It's not so much that chant is hard, it's about getting the right sound.

49 posted on 04/06/2010 8:32:58 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Biggirl
Teach the chants in English, that is translate them, kept the beautiful sound part in the translation.

Part of the problem is that some of the chants don't translate well. It's generally the case that music fits best in the original language. And most singers will tell you that the roughest language to sing in after French is English. It's true. Latin is pretty easy IF you hear it all the time, which is a big issue. I'm a classically trained singer, so I can actually just ask which IPA sheet are we using (none of them are actually what we sing in church), but I am completely cognizant that this is more the exception than the rule.

50 posted on 04/06/2010 8:37:17 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Biggirl

Make that IPL sheet. I had rehearsal tonight.


51 posted on 04/06/2010 8:37:50 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: AnAmericanMother
After all, the style has survived for hundreds and hundreds of years and will survive long after Haugen/Haas and the St. Looey Jebbies are nothing but a bad dream.

The really depressing thing is that for the rest of our lives when we hear certain scripture readings some random ditty will float through our heads. Happened to me twice Saturday night.

52 posted on 04/06/2010 8:40:53 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
The really depressing thing is that for the rest of our lives when we hear certain scripture readings some random ditty will float through our heads. Happened to me twice Saturday night.

*snort* By b-i-l, the priest, and I were discussing the changes coming down the pike in the Liturgy, and I mentioned that one thing I've just detested in the last 20 years or so is that the Scripture translations can be so pedestrian! I mentioned that I loved the sound of the language of the KJV.

For the last 25 years, I've enjoyed listening to "A Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols" which is broadcast from Kings College Chapel in Cambridge, England, every Christmas Eve. The 'Lessons' are taken from the KJV, and they are just a joy to hear. So much so that during Advent, when I hear the Scripture readings from Isaiah, I zone the Lectionary out and hear the reading from the KJV in my mind; so much more lovely.

53 posted on 04/06/2010 8:58:14 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

I favor the Douay-Rheims myself. The KJV has too many errors.


54 posted on 04/06/2010 9:04:32 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

I’ve never read the Douay-Rheims. Might be nice if a Catholic group did a “Lessons and Carols” using that one. ;o)


55 posted on 04/06/2010 9:05:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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