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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
We find Christ throughout the OT. He is the same God, now and forever.

Negative. You find find hints and obscure references. You do not find the God of Mercy and Love.

The elect will receive the kingdom of God like a little child. The reprobate will reject the kingdom of God.

I believe that the Reformed have it backwards in terms of cause and effect. The elect are those who accept salvation and the reprobate could be those who reject it. Confusing predestination with foreknowledge might be relevant.

Well, I certainly have learned that the Apostolic Church does treat some of God's word very differently from other of God's word, and even has it competing against itself.

The words of men are different and are of lesser value than the words of Jesus. The words of the Chronicler are not equivalent to the words of God Incarnate.

I still don't understand how anyone can acknowledge that the Bible is God's word and yet treat it as if some of God's word is more true such that some parts should be kept and interpreted a certain way and other parts should be ignored or discarded.

Call it surpassed or overridden. You indulge in it yourself, unless you follow the dietary laws, for instance.

It is quite a different thing to throw out Paul when he disagrees with a certain interpretation of the Gospels. Nowhere does the Bible tell us to do that. Perhaps it is the interpretation that is wrong and not Paul. :)

We do not discard Paul. We discard the erroneous interpretations of Paul when read through the words of Jesus.

391 posted on 04/15/2010 6:37:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Forest Keeper
The words of men are different and are of lesser value than the words of Jesus. The words of the Chronicler are not equivalent to the words of God Incarnate

And St. Paul explicitly says on occasion that what he writes is not the Lord's commandment but his own, and thereby incomparable to the words of Jesus.

394 posted on 04/15/2010 7:28:47 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
The words of men are different and are of lesser value than the words of Jesus. The words of the Chronicler are not equivalent to the words of God Incarnate.

From what I could find your Church does not discriminate between what you are calling the words of men and the red letter words. From the CCC:

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69

"For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71

107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72

I would certainly agree that on a given subject certain scripture may be more relevant than other scripture, but not more true. I would also have to agree with the Church here that the Holy Bible is the word of God "whole and entire". The Bible does not contain words of men that are of intrinsically lesser value than the red letter passages.

416 posted on 04/16/2010 10:24:05 PM PDT by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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