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To: Forest Keeper
If your standard is that irresistible grace isn't real because we don't see the term "irresistible grace" then by the same token people are NOT free to forfeit their salvations because we do not see the phrase "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand, EXCEPT that they may leave of their own accord and do not count as people for the purpose of the word "nobody"! :). It never says "nobody else".

But many of the teachings of Jesus are about trying not to fall away and lose their salvation. The Beatitudes, again. Matthew 25 (all three) again. The foolish virgins lost their salvation. The bad servant lost his talent. This says very directly that you can lose your salvation and you will unless you follow Him.

True, but that doesn't address God's authority to give irresistible grace. We know He doesn't give it to everyone because we see rejection, but nevertheless He does give it to some.

That has not been established in our debate.

They were firing up the troops??? :) Do you mean we are to interpret verse 28 as a flat out lie because they were firing up the troops?

Not a lie, just battle rhetoric.

Gen. 50:19-20 : 19 But Joseph said to them, “Don’t be afraid. Am I in the place of God? 20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

We are speaking of Christ and His teachings. This passage does not address the idea of irresistible grace.

In addition, note that it was God's will that He alone be the King of Israel. However, His permissive will allowed human kings in Israel and He even gave rules for such in Deut. 17:14-20. Further, it was God's will that a man should have one wife (a man shall leave his parents and cleave to his WIFE). However, His permissive will allowed for polygamy, and He even set rules for examples such as the kinsman's duty to childless widows.

So are you saying that if I have plural wives that it is God's will? The Old Covenant is different in many ways from the New, correct? The dietary laws being relaxed is one. The repudiation of eye for an eye is another.

385 posted on 04/15/2010 3:48:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
So are you saying that if I have plural wives that it is God's will? The Old Covenant is different in many ways from the New, correct? The dietary laws being relaxed is one. The repudiation of eye for an eye is another.

Well, (to the first question) by God's perfect will "No", because God says we are to obey our governments, which He established and in the US polygamy is illegal. However, under His permissive will, if that happened for some unknown reason it would somehow be a part of God's plan. (I do sincerely hope that God's plan does not involve your jail time! :)

401 posted on 04/16/2010 10:53:31 AM PDT by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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