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To: Cvengr
"For those who have a reborn human spirit, these testimonies offer information which confirms what God has provided us in His Word."

Or not.

"It is valuable for those with the dream or vision gift to remain in fellowship with God, and commune with those with the spiritual gift of interpretation and discernment to assist in identifying if such perceptions are the work of spiritual deception or if they are the gifts from God.

"For those believers who have not fully studied or been exposed to such things, a good word study in Greek and Hebrew is very helpful in studying what is already provided us by God by His Word. Many such studies are frequently interpreted in a soulish fashion, paying more value to the reasoning in our minds, rather than through faith in Christ and relying on what He has provided us."

There's a distinct and remarkable disdain for and rejection of logic indicated here, yet logic is required to know and understand anything real- like the passage given from Mark.

Mark 2:6-8, "Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you thinking these things?"

"Note that Christ was perceiving spiritually and then asked why they reasoned in their hearts, when the events should have been perceptible spiritually."

God was doing nothing more here than violating the FR ban on reading another person's mind. God's Spirit is His mind. Since the passage is given in plain language and is completely logical, rational inquery in a logical manner is the best way to understand this passage. If it were otherwise, Mark would have written it in code, so that only the gnostics geniuses would get the message.

158 posted on 04/07/2010 12:41:42 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

FR wouldn’t HAVE such a ban if we possessed a device which could reliably do that :-)


162 posted on 04/07/2010 1:51:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: spunkets; Cvengr
God's Spirit is His mind

Where do you get that idea?

166 posted on 04/07/2010 3:52:04 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: spunkets
[ If it were otherwise, Mark would have written it in code, so that only the gnostics geniuses would get the message. ]

Jesus wrote in code.. the code is called parables..
Many didn't "get them"........ Still...

**example: John ch 10...

167 posted on 04/07/2010 5:08:42 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: spunkets

My quotation of the passage provided original language so as to discern the explicit meaning provided.

The mind is a compartment of the soul, distinct from the heart. The spirit is a different object used in the Greek, than the heart, mind, or soul. It is the human spirit which is a consequence of our rebirth as the new man, not the soul or heart, however, via the human spirit, through faith in Christ, God the Holy Spirit is able to also sanctify the soul first by the mind and then the heart.

The doctrine of kenosis also provides insight as to how our Lord Christ Jesus lived His life as a human, remaining humble to the Father and performing all divine action through the action of the Spirit in the First Incarnation. He also had a separate human spirit, not mixed with the Divine Holy Spirit as the Son of Man. His Spirit refers to the Holy Spirit, while His spirit refers to His human spirit.


168 posted on 04/07/2010 5:44:58 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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