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To: metmom

On the other hand, there are fallen angels and there are ‘elect’ angels. Were the elect once saved?

One distinction between humans and angels is that angels had everlasting life prior to being condemned, while humans have condemnation prior to having eternal life.


132 posted on 04/06/2010 9:01:18 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

That could be a factor. It’s a very intriguing concept.

Since angels already had eternal life, it could be that’s what locked them into their sinful state.

After Adam and Eve sinned, they were driven out of the Garden and an angel was put near the tree of life to guard it so that they might not eat of it and live forever. That would condemn them to be forever stuck in an eternally sinful state because death would then escape them. The tree of life would work as it was designed to do. The best thing God could do for them was to deny them access to it and allow them to die.

They could then make the choice to repent BEFORE they died and get a fresh start because the bodies they had would die and they could get new sinless ones, ones that would allow them to always obey God as they chose on earth. They could eat of the Tree of Life after that and live forever in perfection.

Obviously having an immortal body somehow locks you into what ever state you are in, either sinful or sinless.


138 posted on 04/06/2010 9:21:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cvengr; metmom
On the other hand, there are fallen angels and there are ‘elect’ angels. Were the elect once saved?

I wouldn't think so since the ones who did not go with satan never sinned and did not need saving. I would say, though, that they were protected, but not saved in the sense that we normally think of it.

One distinction between humans and angels is that angels had everlasting life prior to being condemned, while humans have condemnation prior to having eternal life.

Yes, but if we compare Adam with the angels they were both created sinless, but with the potential to sin. God protected today's Heavenly angels from sin, but did not protect Adam or the fallen angels from sin.

155 posted on 04/06/2010 11:08:18 PM PDT by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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To: Cvengr
On the other hand, there are fallen angels and there are ‘elect’ angels.

I'm having trouble finding information on this statement. Do you have Scriptural references please?

214 posted on 04/07/2010 4:17:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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