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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This endless scandal is a direct result of the foul theology which teaches that Roman Catholic priests are an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ." Priests therefore believe that lie and feel "entitled" to whatever gratification they desire. And since a "celibate" priesthood attracts men who don't mind forsaking a real family life with a wife and children, the situation is ripe for sin and tragedy.

Some thoughts:

1) You fail here by violating two basic logical principles - "Correlation does not equal causation" and making a sweeping generalization. The existence of the doctrine of the priest as "alter Christus" does not necessarily translate to feelings of entitlement to gratification of any sort. Likewise, it is logically inconsistent to paint priests with such a broad brush.

2) Although there are a few men who choose celibacy as a "cover" (and admittedly, there have been seminaries that have done a poor job in screening them out), most of the candidates for priesthood are willing to sacrifice having a wife and children for the sake of the Kingdom.

nothing changes.

What do you wish to change? The seminaries screen as well as is humanly possible, the perpetrators have been removed from ministry. Even if they are canonically defrocked, they are still ontologically priests.

Re: Crimen Sollicitationis

Given that that document that you linked to is in English, and not in Latin, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a fabrication.

Even if it were not a fabrication, are you certain that it is still in force under the 1983 Code of Canon Law?

82 posted on 03/22/2010 9:21:22 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: GCC Catholic

“...most of the candidates for priesthood are willing to sacrifice having a wife and children for the sake of the Kingdom”

Thank you for pointing this out.

To say that the “celibate priesthood—is a situation ripe for sin and tragedy”, or to insinuate that it attracts men who are somehow suspect is truly smearing all good and worthy priests, and, —as you have correctly said, “it is logically inconsistent to paint priests with such a broad brush.”


92 posted on 03/22/2010 9:38:30 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: GCC Catholic
Even if it were not a fabrication, are you certain that it is still in force under the 1983 Code of Canon Law?

338:

Crimen Sollicitationis was written by Cardinal Ottaviani in 1962. As of 2001, it is no longer in effect, being replaced by Pope John Paul II's Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela.

93 posted on 03/22/2010 9:42:30 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: GCC Catholic; Gamecock; Quix
The seminaries screen as well as is humanly possible

lolol. Apparently they're "screening" for exactly what they get.

Given that that document that you linked to is in English, and not in Latin, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a fabrication.

Your suspicion may be sneaking, but it's also incorrect.

Even if it were not a fabrication, are you certain that it is still in force under the 1983 Code of Canon Law?

Ratzginer's letter in 2001 which was sent to every bishop in the world reminded the clergy that Crimen Sollicitationis was still in effect. Do some homework. This has all been posted for months, if not years, on Free Republic.

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128 posted on 03/22/2010 9:27:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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