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To: SeekAndFind

>> Start with the fact that humans are naturally moral beings.

That’s just ridiculous.

If we were naturally moral beings, one would not have to ask the question “God is dead, so why should I be good?” ... we’d as the question, “why do we need a God if humanity is already so moral?”.

If humanity were naturally moral, people would not struggle day-in-and-day-out with maintaining morality ... and people would not fail so spectacularly quite so often. Even people who are genuinely trying to be good struggle daily with suppressing instincts toward immorality ... which says nothing about those who couldn’t care less whether they were good or not.

Just stupid.

SnakeDoc


4 posted on 03/19/2010 1:17:09 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions." -- Robin Hood (Russell Crowe))
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To: SnakeDoctor

After reading this article, the following question begs an answer ===> WHAT THEN IS MORAL ?

What is moral? It isn’t enough to say that evolution can make us moral, we have to ask what is good morality.

Why should we consider murder to be wrong at a foundational level. As Ruse notes lion’s are often multiple murders so Darwinism doesn’t help us decide. Is morality just about social cooperation? In Hobbes state of nature every man is against every man, or with Darwinian filial affections, every tribe is against every tribe in a state of nature.
But that doesn’t stop tribes fighting, whether they be football supporters, Africans or Caucasians. In a state of nature how do we determine what is moral? Darwinism could lead to family or tribal cooperation in exterminating a rival tribe, but not to good morality. Morality has to transcend human emotions to be at all real.

The second question coming to my mind is this -— what of truth? A commitment to tell the truth is good morality. But if our genes have evolved to lie to us, then how can we know anything moral with confidence, or trust that what our genes are telling us really is the good?

These are the first two things that come to mind initially but there will be more as I digest what he’s trying to say...


11 posted on 03/19/2010 1:24:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SnakeDoctor

Ask any parent of a 2-year old throwing a tanturm if people are naturally born good (or, er...me if I have to wait too long in line!!!). We have to really fight our own natures to be good, and no one can be good for a full 24-hours.

Yes, God is very real.


16 posted on 03/19/2010 1:35:29 PM PDT by freepertoo
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