Posted on 03/17/2010 2:50:32 PM PDT by reaganaut
Wow
You were there?
And I thought Moon Quakers lived a long time...
Sandy this is what I said: (if you are going to accuse me of things at least be accurate.)
To: Saundra Duffy
Your statement is contrary to what I heard when I attended services at my uncles ward. In fact the entire time I attended, I never heard the Name of Jesus mentioned, even during the “sacrament” with white bread and water. 214 posted on March 18, 2010 7:19:25 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the
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It ia amazing svcw tell these bold tales with a straight face
How the elders and priests administer the sacramental bread. Between A.D. 400 and 421
1 The manner of their elders and priests administering the flesh and blood of Christ unto the church; and they administered it according to the commandments of Christ; wherefore we know the manner to be true; and the elder or priest did minister it—
2 And they did kneel down with the church, and pray to the Father in the name of Christ, saying:
3 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it; that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him, and keep his commandments which he hath given them, that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
The mode of administering the sacramental wine is set forth. Between A.D. 400 and 421
1 The manner of administering the wine—Behold, they took the cup, and said:
2 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee, in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
Your comments reminded me of some members of Judah and how they felt about the doctrines in the NT as witness by the remarks of the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees made to Jesus.
Wow
You were there?
And I thought Moon Quakers lived a long time...
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The exchanges are recored in the New Testament if you read teh Bible you would know that!
Truth Was Restored through Joseph Smith-
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That assumes it was LOST, which it wasn’t. Unless you think Christ was lying when He said “the gates of Hell shall not prevail” against His Church.
D&C 20
75 It is expedient that the church meet together often to partake of bread and wine in the remembrance of the Lord Jesus;
76 And the elder or priest shall administer it; and after this manner shall he administer it—he shall kneel with the church and call upon the Father in solemn prayer, saying:
77 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it, that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them; that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
78 The manner of administering the wine—he shall take the cup also, and say:
79 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
1Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.
2He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness.
3This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people.
4No one takes this honor upon himself; he must be called by God, just as Aaron was.
5So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest.
Truth Was Restored through Joseph Smith-
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That assumes it was LOST, which it wasn’t. Unless you think Christ was lying when He said “the gates of Hell shall not prevail” against His Church.
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D&C 27
1 Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Lord, your God, and your Redeemer, whose word is quick and powerful.
2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory—remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins.
3 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, that you shall not purchase wine neither strong drink of your enemies;
4 Wherefore, you shall partake of none except it is made new among you; yea, in this my Father’s kingdom which shall be built up on the earth.
5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim;
6 And also with Elias, to whom I have committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began, concerning the last days;
7 And also John the son of Zacharias, which Zacharias he (Elias) visited and gave promise that he should have a son, and his name should be John, and he should be filled with the spirit of Elias;
8 Which John I have sent unto you, my servants, Joseph Smith, Jun., and Oliver Cowdery, to ordain you unto the first priesthood which you have received, that you might be called and ordained even as Aaron;
9 And also Elijah, unto whom I have committed the keys of the power of turning the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, that the whole earth may not be smitten with a curse;
10 And also with Joseph and Jacob, and Isaac, and Abraham, your fathers, by whom the promises remain;
11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days;
12 And also with Peter, and James, and John, whom I have sent unto you, by whom I have ordained you and confirmed you to be apostles, and especial witnesses of my name, and bear the keys of your ministry and of the same things which I revealed unto them;
13 Unto whom I have committed the keys of my kingdom, and a dispensation of the gospel for the last times; and for the fulness of times, in the which I will gather together in one all things, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth;
14 And also with all those whom my Father hath given me out of the world.
15 Wherefore, lift up your hearts and rejoice, and gird up your loins, and take upon you my whole armor, that ye may be able to withstand the evil day, having done all, that ye may be able to stand.
16 Stand, therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, having on the breastplate of righteousness, and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace, which I have sent mine angels to commit unto you;
17 Taking the shield of faith wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked;
18 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of my Spirit, which I will pour out upon you, and my word which I reveal unto you, and be agreed as touching all things whatsoever ye ask of me, and be faithful until I come, and ye shall be caught up, that where I am ye shall be also. Amen.
D&C 17: 8.
8 And if you do these last commandments of mine, which I have given you, the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; for my grace is sufficient for you, and you shall be lifted up at the last day.
Let me simplify this (as much as possible):
Getting the plates - Moroni
First Vision - one personage or two, angel, Jesus and/or God depending upon version
‘restoration’ of Aaronic (lower Priesthood) - John the Baptist
‘restoration’ of Melchizedek (higher priesthood) - Peter James John
and then various other visitations.
Sorry you are under the weather. Take care, get some rest and you are in my prayers.
Learn what a high priest means!
High Priest
An office in the Melchizedek Priesthood. Adam and all the patriarchs were high priests (D&C 107: 53; Abr. 1: 2).
Under the law of Moses the presiding officer of the Aaronic Priesthood was called the high priest. The office was hereditary and came through the firstborn among the family of Aaron, Aaron himself being the first high priest of the Aaronic order.
The duties of the high priest and his special vestments are outlined in the books of Exodus and Leviticus, the chief references being Ex. 28: 6-42; Ex. 29: 6; Ex. 39: 27-29; Lev. 6: 19-23; Lev. 21: 10. The clothing was colorful, often white and blue, ornamented with golden bells and varicolored needlework. A breastplate of judgment was worn, containing the Urim and Thummim and precious stones representing the tribes of Israel. On the high priest’s head was the mitre or turban, made of fine linen (Ex. 39: 28). Upon the forefront and attached to it by a blue lace was a plate or crown of pure gold (Ex. 28: 36; Ex. 29: 6). On the plate was engraved the legend “Holiness to the Lord.”
The high priest was privileged to use the Urim and Thummim (Num. 27: 21), and we read of it during Saul’s time, but not afterward. It was apparently missing, but its restoration was hoped for during the time of the second temple (Ezra 2: 63).
The high priest’s main duties, in addition to the duties of a regular priest, were to perform the service of the Day of Atonement; to inquire God’s will by the Urim and Thummim in the breastplate of his office; and to offer the sacrifices on Sabbaths, new moons, and yearly festivals. He also had to offer a meat offering twice daily for himself (Lev. 6: 19-23). (See Meat Offering.) His consecration differed from that of ordinary priests in anointing and robing: on the high priests’ head alone was the anointing oil poured (Lev. 21: 10; Ps. 133: 2); and his garments were of special significance and magnificence.
The office was usually a lifetime calling and, when rightly appointed, was by revelation from God, “as was Aaron” (Heb. 5: 4). It was in the family of Eleazar, Aaron’s third son, until the time of Eli, a descendant of Ithamar, Aaron’s youngest son, into whose family it passed until it was restored to the family of Eleazar in the person of Zadok; it then continued in his family till the time of the Maccabees. During the Maccabaean period the high priest was also political head of the nation. After this family was overthrown, high priests were inappropriately appointed and deposed at pleasure by Herod and the Romans alike. The office was filled by 28 different men between 37 B.C. and A.D. 68. Since the latter year the office has ceased to exist among the Jews, but they were in apostasy long before that time.
The epistle to the Hebrews discusses at some length the manner in which Jesus Christ is the great High Priest, of whom all the others were pre-figures (Heb. 5: 1-10; Heb. 9: 28).
The priesthood is an ordinace given from heaven to operate on earth when the Lord set it in motion.
When the last apostte died it was taken from the earth!
It was restored in theearth for the Last dispensation in which we are living!
placemarker
Thank you...
What you don’t seem to understand is that the reaon we (the Inmams) are here is to fight against false “scripture”. Using the aforementioned false scripture to try to convince us that it is not false is ridiculous.
We do not recognize the Doctrine and Covenants as anything other than lies. Save your breath Resty, please.
Learn what a high priest means!
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You have no authority to suggest TM4 learns anything...
You dont have the mormon pesthood...
You dont have the authority to teach TM4 anything...
You dont have the mormon pesthood...
Does your bishop know what you are doing ???
Learn what a high priest means!
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You learn...
There’s only ONE High Priest...
His name is Jesus ...
There are no other priests...
That’s a free lesson...
a) I know what a high priest means since I recognize the bible as being the correctly-translated Word of God
b) You have been lied to - it is not restored, Jesus is the only high priest
c) the D&C is fiction
d) There could only ever be one high priest at a time (see item b for current office-holder) Why does the LDS church have legions of them?
e) Why aren't the LDS "high priests" wearing the fancy clothing and ceremonially slaughtering animals in accordance with God's laws?
f) There is not further need for a earthly high priest because our sins have been atoned for by the death on the cross of Jesus. Unless you believe that's not true, or not sufficient. You don't believe that, do you Resty
g)I could go on but it's bed time. But nice job cutting and pasting from Fairmormon.org
e) Why aren’t the LDS “high priests” wearing the fancy clothing and ceremonially slaughtering animals in accordance with God’s laws?
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Cause their Mommies wont let them play with sharp knives...
Remember these kids are only 12 year old...
Not even shaving yet...
According to Wiki, LdS high priests aren’t doing anything of the kind you posted.
Like other priesthood offices in the LDS Church, high priests are organized into quorums. The High Priests Quorum, however, is organized at the stake level, with the president of the quorum being the stake president. In contrast, priesthood quorums for the offices of deacon, teacher, and priest are organized at the ward level.
In consultation with the bishop, the stake president organizes a high priests “group” in each ward. Each group is provided with a group leader who typically selects two assistants and a secretary to assist him.
Assignments made to the group include home teaching and assisting adult males who are not yet elders prepare to receive the Melchizedek priesthood. High priests are also responsible for temple and family history work within a ward.
Members assigned to be home taught by the Bishop of a ward or the President of a Branch are generally more apt to be widows, widowers, single sisters, and other part member families.
In a district, there is no high priests quorum. Men holding the office of high priest join the elders quorum of the branch that they live in.
There are a number of positions in the LDS Church which may only be filled by a high priest. Among these are stake president and his counselors, member of a stake high council, and mission president.
A bishop must be a high priest unless he can prove a right-by-lineage to the calling (see D&C 107:69)*. Bishops’ counselors are usually high priests, but this is not required and counselors in a student ward are not ordinarily ordained high priests to fill this position.
A branch president and his counselors need not be high priests. Any high priest is eligible to be called as a member of the First Presidency, but in recent practice most members of the First Presidency have been apostles.
Ok than there is an impass and no need for futher discussion!
“That assumes it was LOST, which it wasn’t.”
You are correct, of course. Truth was not lost, and it was not ‘found’ as suggested by some here.
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