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To: wideawake; Pyro7480
The current Pope, whose strategy has been to persuade, now has a large chunk of the Anglicans preparing to enter into communion with the Church in full agreement with the magisterium.

The current Pope is an evolutionist, as every Pope since at least Pius XII has been.

Telling people that their grandma who taught them the basics of Christianity was a malignant heretic isn't useful - the goal is to save souls, not score points.

I had rather be told my grandmother was a malicious heretic than that she was a stupid inbred moron whose beliefs are laughable and who "couldn't help" or "didn't know any better" than to be the "narrow minded bigot" she allegedly was.

By Fundamentalist Protestant standards, since Catholicism denies that J*sus takes the individual's place in hell and is vicariously damned, thus providing assurance (ie, "presumption"), and instead requires a lifetime of walking a tightrope over the pit of hell, then Catholicism does not provide "salvation" at all. Yet Catholics insist that Protestants betray their consciences in the name of common creedal beliefs (which are non-salvational in FPism). Can you imagine the bind that puts sincere Fundamentalist Protestants in? Can you? I'm sure you can. It's the same one liberal (and even not so liberal) Jews put Catholics in every time they demand that the Catholic Church stop insisting that J*sus is the objective messiah and "the only way to Heaven." I've seen plenty of Catholic condemnation of Jews for demanding that they betray their chr*stian beliefs, but those same Catholics make the identical same demand of Fundamentalist Protestants because they "both believe J*sus is god." According to you and them the devils believe J*sus is god and they are neither "saved" nor "in the process of salvation."

Catholics who complain about Jewish demands while making identical demands of Protestants (and engaging in the same liberal rhetoric when they don't get what they want) are hypocrites and crybabies.

53 posted on 03/18/2010 12:00:12 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiqra' 'el-Mosheh; vaydabber HaShem 'elayv me'Ohel Mo`ed le'mor.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I had rather be told my grandmother was a malicious heretic than that she was a stupid inbred moron whose beliefs are laughable and who "couldn't help" or "didn't know any better" than to be the "narrow minded bigot" she allegedly was.

"There you go again," as Reagan was apt for saying.

57 posted on 03/18/2010 12:17:37 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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“Catholicism denies that J*sus takes the individual’s place in hell and is vicariously damned, thus providing assurance (ie, “presumption”)”

I was raised in hard-core protestant churches, and none of them ever taught that “Jesus takes the individual’s place in hell and is vicariously damned, thus providing assurance.”

Right here is the first time I’ve come across that idea.

Now, there may be some, ah, fringe elements whose theology has become that corrupt, but it is not true that this notion is universal in, or even characteristic of, protestantism.

Never heard of “backsliding,” I suppose.

Listen, to discuss these matters with credibility, one must correctly understand at least some things about Catholicism and protestantism. So far, everything you’ve said about either has been factually incorrect.


108 posted on 03/19/2010 8:50:37 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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