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To: urroner

You’re assumption about JS is based on a belief in JS. I don’t have that belief anymore.

As far as the “sons of perdition”, try this post and thread...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2359545/posts?page=127#127

I more than qualify.


696 posted on 03/23/2010 6:52:45 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian

SZ, I seriously doubt if you qualify. From the ever expanded, always truthful, and omniscient wikipedia: According to LDS theology, there are two classes of persons who will become sons of perdition - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition I really do hate cut and pasting, but here is the pertinent info from that link.

Son of Perdition is also a phrase used by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes referred to as Mormons) to describe a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife.

This is in contrast to the vast majority of people, who will receive a “kingdom of glory” after the Final Judgment, and enter into one of three degrees of glory or intelligence after the resurrection; Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial Kingdoms.

Most Latter-day Saints believe that the Sons of Perdition will be cast into outer darkness; the scriptures do not use this exact phrase in connection with the Sons of Perdition, but state that they “shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels.”[10]

Mormons believe that free will is one of the greatest gifts of God, and that there could be some who will completely reject Jesus Christ and salvation. God will not force someone, including Satan, to be saved if they do not desire to be saved. Therefore, Sons of Perdition are allowed to remove themselves from the presence of God and live in whatever degree of darkness they desire.

In an LDS context, the name Perdition refers to either Lucifer[11] or Cain[12] both of whom are symbols of ultimate evil.

According to LDS theology, there are two classes of persons who will become sons of perdition:

1. The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. It is taught that, in the pre-mortal life, they chose to follow a plan proposed by Satan, rather than that presented by God the Father and Jesus. Thus ensued the War in Heaven, which resulted in Satan and his followers being cast out of heaven and denied the opportunity of receiving a physical body.
2. Those in mortal life who “deny the Holy Ghost,” which is generally interpreted as rejecting and denying Christ after receiving a personal witness of him from the Holy Ghost. It is frequently—though not universally—added that a son of perdition must have a “perfect knowledge” of Jesus and that mere faith or belief in him is not enough. Joseph Smith, Jr. taught:

All sins shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. What must a man do to commit the unpardonable sin? He must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it.[13]


701 posted on 03/23/2010 7:22:56 AM PDT by urroner
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To: SZonian; urroner

I think urroner will simply suggest that neither you nor I had the “light” of a proper testimony.

And since we never had a “proper testimony,” then we will not be sons of Perdition.

But who knows what urroner thinks - he is very remiss in actually answering any question other than to say he will do it later. lol


703 posted on 03/23/2010 8:02:10 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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