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I am an evangelical (AG) and I can see what he is talking about. If you think he is talking about anything other that the Reverend Wrights of this country you purposefully fooling yourself. If a church espouses anything other than turning the other cheek, that minister has probably given up his Bible for the Communist Manifesto. It is one thing to get involved politically, it is quite another to say God damn America. I think some liberals are just trying to peel conservative Christians from Beck. Theologically I disagree greatly with Beck. Politically we are on the same sheet of paper. LDS did great in California with Prop. 8.

LDS did great in California with Prop. 8.

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You know I am tired of the LDS getting all the credit for Prop 8 defeat. In my area (high gay pop) the Evangelical churches did more than the LDS and we were better organized.

Other churches fought it as well, there is NO proof that the LDS made the difference on whether or not it passed.

I think the world is at a cross roads in terms of religion. In the 1600’s many educated and religious men turned from the church and began to look to antiquity for answers. I do not mean pagan religions, I mean they explored what was know of the gnostic writings, they wanted to know what those who taught and preached in antiquity said and then tried to understand the deeper, hidden meaning. It is hidden from those who do not seek it. They wanted to know and understand what Albertus Magnus (magnus being a title related to alchemy and Philosophy) or Thomas Aquinas believed and taught. They looked outside church doctrine, they did not want to be confined by a priest or pastors teachings. The wanted to learn for themselves. We are at that point again, Churches are social and political entities, with dogma and rules of membership. Either we go back and relearn or secularism will rule the day. It is no longer enough to simply accept a blessing, the churches forgiveness and go on our merry way. Jesus was a teacher, John the Baptist was a teacher, so, why have many Christians substituted church attendance for learning?