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To: Gerhard Ebersöhn
So, that “Christians get together on Sunday to worship, partake of the Lord’s supper, fellowship, etc.” is YOUR reason WHY “Sunday is the day we get together, celebrating Jesus’ resurrection”.

Absolutely!

I believe, Christians by the fact that Jesus rose from the dead “On the Sabbath Day”, are obliged by faith to get together “On the Sabbath Day” to worship, to partake of the Lord’s supper, to fellowship, etc. -— which was precisely what they DID DO according to Col2:12-19 “BECAUSE He (Jesus) TRIUMPHED IN IT” -— “IT”, his Resurrection from the dead!

That's your perogative. Christians do not keep any day of the week special, nor force the day they meet on others - nor do they ridicule those who meet on days they don't. Meeting on the first day of the week is Biblical; and celebrating the Lord's supper during the assembly is also very Biblical - according to Paul, especially. The Lord's supper, according to the Bible, was celebrated when they met on the first day of the week - a celebration to remember Jesus' death and resurrection until He comes again! There is no obligation for a Christian to celebrate Jesus' resurrection on a Saturday anywhere in the Bible. Do you find anything wrong with what I said?

Therefore clearly “Sunday morning, the first day of the week, while it was dawning” and “the women came to the grave to apply the spices they prepared – but” found “the tomb was vacated: Jesus had risen from the dead! Alleluia!” WAS TOTALLY ANOTHER OCCASION AND DAY AND TIME THAN WHEN HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD! He rose from the dead “On the Sabbath” Mt28:1; “the women came to the grave to apply the spices they prepared” and found “the tomb was vacated” “On the First Day of the week” Lk24:1.

Actually, I have no problem with that. No one knows the exact hour of Christ's resurrection, just that as the first day of the week was dawning He was not in the grave. The Jewish day and night starts at sunup to sunup. Figure three days and nights from the time he was buried, which was right before sundown. So, I have no problem if one says he could have risen a minute after the sunset on the Sabbath (Our Saturday) - however, Jesus may have risen one minute before sunrise on the first day of the week, Sunday in our reckoning.

157 posted on 04/05/2010 3:36:50 PM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: Ken4TA

How can you have “no problem with that” -— ‘that’ .... where I wrote, “He rose from the dead “On the Sabbath” Mt28:1”? Because it does not tell “the exact hour of Christ’s resurrection”? The exact words of Matthew in 28:1 are: “In the fullness of the Sabbath, Sabbath’s in the very daylight being” or “epi-centre declining light being” WHICH MEANS EXACTLY and literally as can be: “mid-afternoon”. What more exact ‘hour of Christ’s resurrection’ do you require?

Have a nice day; it’s bed-time for me now. More to follow DV


158 posted on 04/05/2010 5:45:37 PM PDT by Gerhard Ebersöhn
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To: Ken4TA

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That’s your prerogative. Christians do not keep any day of the week special, nor force the day they meet on others - nor do they ridicule those who meet on days they don’t. Meeting on the first day of the week is Biblical; and celebrating the Lord’s supper during the assembly is also very Biblical - according to Paul, especially. The Lord’s supper, according to the Bible, was celebrated when they met on the first day of the week - a celebration to remember Jesus’ death and resurrection until He comes again! There is no obligation for a Christian to celebrate Jesus’ resurrection on a Saturday anywhere in the Bible. Do you find anything wrong with what I said?”

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“Christians do not keep any day of the week special”. I think you know full well it’s untrue. Only look around you on Sundays. Only think of the Gospels -— they were written years after the establishment of Christianity, and reflect nothing like that “Christians do not keep any day of the week special”— on the contrary the ‘special keeping’ of the Sabbath byin earliest Christianity gave cause for much of the Gospel’s writing! And ‘special keeping’ of the Sabbath is always in the Gospels directly linked to Christ’s practice and teaching of, and on, it.

Never ever do the Gospels – these latest of Christian writings – hint in the direction of ‘special keeping’ of the First Day of the week. Now exactly this utter absence of ‘special keeping’ of the First Day of the week has been the cause and reason for dishonest translators, to artificially and artfully create an impression of ‘special keeping’ of the First Day of the week in the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament through false, corrupted and mutilating ‘translating’ of it. Shame on Christianity! And shame on “Christians”, that they “do not keep” the Sabbath Day of the LORD your God -— “The Lord’s Day” -— “special”, but discarded it as a thing of filth, and replaced it with the pagan ‘Day of the lord Sun’ as a thing of supreme glory. Shame on Protestantism that it in wonderment followed after the false prophet and antichrist, in this the greatest of his traits and triumphs over true Christianity.

Re: “Christians do not ..... ridicule those who meet on days they don’t.” True. That doesn’t give them leave to neglect their Christian duty of rightly dividing and proclaiming the Word of God.

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“Meeting on the first day of the week is Biblical”. It is not ‘Biblical’.

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“celebrating the Lord’s supper during the assembly is also very Biblical”. True, but not “also”, meaning also “meeting on the first day of the week” and “on the first day of the week .... celebrating the Lord’s supper during the assembly (on the first day of the week)”. That, is NOT true, “especially” not, “according to Paul”.

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“according to Paul, especially. The Lord’s supper, according to the Bible, was celebrated when they met on the first day of the week”
According to Paul and therefore according to the Bible, the Lord’s Supper was celebrated: “WHEN on the First Day of the week HAVING BEEN ASSEMBLING STILL after they before HAD HAD ASSEMBLED to break bread (to ‘celebrate The Lord’s supper’) : PAUL” -— the only Subject of the only verb of the only sentence -— “discussed matters (‘dielegeto’) with them”; which unequivocally declares the PERFECT (Tense): the assembled, quote: “Assembled BEFORE they STILL were assembling on the First Day of the week”; which IMPLIES unequivocally the assembled, the disciples, “assembled” on the Seventh Day and Sabbath Day BEFORE “on the First Day of the week” when “they still were assembling”. ‘Synehgmenohn’ is NO Verb; it is a Participle and a Perfect Participle at that. To say “The Lord’s supper was celebrated when they met on the first day of the week” depends completely on FLAWED -— on purpose FLAWED -— ‘translation’ of the Greek in Act 20:7 (as were it an INDICATIVE, FINITE, NOMINATIVE, Imperfect or Aorist).

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“There is no obligation for a Christian to celebrate Jesus’ resurrection on a Saturday anywhere in the Bible.” Yes, ‘on a Saturday’. But listen to this: “Because Jesus had given them rest God would not speak of an opportunity of salvation again, THEREFORE emphatically (‘ara’) a keeping of the Sabbath Day REMAINS OBLIGATORY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD: HE (Jesus) HAVING ENTERED into his own rest as God in his own.” Jesus of course “entered into his own rest” and “gave them rest” by nothing other than that He rose from the dead again! There cannot another relation be drawn THAN THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST FROM THE DEAD between the “rest” that “Jesus had given THEM” and “He having entered into his OWN rest as God in his own” and “the People’s still obligatory keeping of the SABBATH Day”. “The Word of God is sharper than a two-edged sword” Hb4 goes on immediately to say! We cannot play around with the graveness of these elements that constitute the essence and form the basis of the declaration for Christians in Hebrews 4:4-5,8-10— “thus concerning the Seventh Day” that -— as “a keeping of the Sabbath Day -— remains for the People of God” the Christian Believers, to ‘celebrate’ or “FEAST” as Paul says in Col2:16-17 they actually DID.


167 posted on 04/07/2010 1:53:57 AM PDT by Gerhard Ebersöhn
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