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To: armydoc
OK, I'll play along

I am not playing.

They need salvation because they are sinners and cannot save themselves

So, God devised the Fall, which ushered sin and death, then sent his Son to suffer and die for the sinners in order that the ones God wanted with him from the beginning for all eternity can be with him for all eternity?

83 posted on 03/16/2010 3:58:04 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50
So, God devised the Fall, which ushered sin and death, then sent his Son to suffer and die for the sinners in order that the ones God wanted with him from the beginning for all eternity can be with him for all eternity?

No, God did not "devise" the fall but allowed it to happen and planned the "fix" from the beginning. The rest of your statement is pretty much accurate.
84 posted on 03/16/2010 5:58:28 PM PDT by armydoc
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