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To: betty boop; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

Perhaps a break from this thread would be wise.

I am not convinced that

JESUS THE CHRIST

HAS

A MOTHER per se currently.

He HAD a mother as an earthly human being.

That period is past.

Jesus The Christ existed before Mary was more than an awareness in some conceptualized something in God’s mind or knowing before the foundation of the world like all the rest of us.

Jesus was God long before Adam, much less Mary existed in human form.

In that sense, Mary was NOT his ‘originating’ mother in any way shape or form.

She ‘merely’ birthed His human form for His human form’s 33 years on this earth.

Job done.

Fini.

One can fantasize until the cows come home about some super miraculous super God-like relationship with SUPER MARY for all eternity.

However, such is NOT Biblical.

In FACT, Scripture records Christ’s indicating quite starkly that the typical affection and relationship between Him

AND ALL HIS BLOOD RELATIVES—was SUPERCEDED BY, encompassed by, subsumed in THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER.

Roman Catholics et al love to slippery step by that passage. However, it is there FOR A PURPOSE. And that purpose is clearly NOT to assign to Mary nor His blood brothers and sisters

THE LEAST BIT OF A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.

That’s plain Scripture.

The Vatican edifice spends a LOT of time, money ink and wood pulp disagreeing with the wording, the context and the import of that passage.

To the dreadful misdirection of millions of folks in the pews.


269 posted on 03/15/2010 4:27:07 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Well said.

“In the beginning was the Word...”


272 posted on 03/15/2010 4:29:17 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; stfassisi; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
OY!!! The TIME PROBLEM rears its "ugly head," yet again!!! Ad infinitum as it were.

The problem seems to consist of the fact that there was an insurmountable primary asymmetry at the very foundation of Creation. That asymmetry particularly relates to the problem of time. For God, there is no time. For He is eternal. For us, human beings, everything we experience is necessarily in time — for we have, by God's decision, been manifested into a divinely created reality that has spatial and temporal — "this world" — dimensions, manifesting in the famous 4D block of Newtonian observation.

Perhaps I digress. If so, sum up the digression and move on: I just try to remember all the above, and prayerfully receive whatever graces the Lord may bestow on me so to enlighten the subject under scrutiny, before I start shooting off my mouth.

Folks have been working on problems like this, centuries, nay millennia, before John Calvin or Martin Luther were born. Is it asking too much, to ask whether YOU appreciate that?

283 posted on 03/15/2010 6:16:17 PM PDT by betty boop (Moral law is not rooted in factual laws of nature; they only tell us what happens, not what ought to)
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To: Quix

“I am not convinced that JESUS THE CHRIST HAS A MOTHER per se currently. He HAD a mother as an earthly human being. That period is past.”


To add . . . Jesus Christ is now in His GLORIFIED Body and seated at God’s Right Hand. Mary is not the “mother” of His glorified Body.

The Apostle Paul, in describing the current dispensation and our relationship to Christ in it, says, . . .

“Wherefore, HENCEFORTH know we no man after the FLESH: though we HAVE known Christ after the flesh, yet NOW HENCEFORTH know we him (Jesus Christ) NO MORE.” (2 Corinthians 5:16)

Our bond is to the Man at God’s Right Hand, and “old things are passed away.” (v. 17)

I am not, and cannot even be, convinced that there was any mandate during his earthly ministry -— “in the days of his flesh” (Hebrews 5:7 [interesting correlary between the two fifth chapters, Hebrews and 2 Corinthians]), that Mary was given the homage the Vatican wants her to be given. There is just no evidence nor example seen of it whatsoever in the gospel accounts (that is, Matthew through John).

And “NOW HENCEFORTH” (Epistles) even less!


296 posted on 03/15/2010 7:00:04 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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