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A Protestant Discovers Mary
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| March 13, 2010
Posted on 03/14/2010 12:14:46 PM PDT by NYer
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
It seems he was Angelican, and this reach for him is not far.
Well, as other folks have said, the Anglicans are divided into 3: High Church that are close to Catholicism (also called Anglo-Catholics) -- these are orthodox in belief, Low Church that are close to reformed or even Baptists in belief -- these are still very Christian in belief and Gay Church/Liberals -- Gene Robinson fans. If the guy was High Church, then yes, it's not a long step, but if he was Low Church it would be a long step and if he was GC, then it would be impossible.
On an aside, I do respect the Low Church Anglicans far, far more than GC who I do not consider Christian anymore (like the ECUSA)
It is interesting that he got there thru Scripture, rather than Church teaching. And yet, many have -- if one seriously studies scripture and reads what The Church says about itself and CHurch teachings (the catechism, papal encyclicals etc) NOT what others say about the Church (someone once said that there are few who hate The Church but millions who hate what they think The Church is!) -- the early Church fathers, the History of Christianity as written by those who lived it (St Ignatius of Antioch, Clement, John Chrysostom, St. Augustine ("Rome has spoken"), etc.)
My take...Jesus is the Son of God, He is God, He is my Lord. I do not need a meadiator, He is my mediator. --> I'm sure you meant you do not need another mediator (as is obvious by your last statement). And in that, The Church agrees -- Jesus is the sole Mediator between God and Man --> He ALONE is the bridge between God and Man, no one else.
Mary, the saints (on this earth and in heaven) are your co-Christians, brothers and sisters in Christ who pray FOR us, who mediate FOR us -- just as we pray FOR our friends and family, so too does this community of Christians dating back 2000 years pray for all of us).
Jesus is my Lord and my Savior truly spoken and bless you.
The Holy Spirit, another Comforter sent, is my indwelling guide. I do not need intermediaries
You do not, however, Christ and The Church are groom and bride, two sides of the same coin -- separated they can be but the full sense, the full majesty is lost. Anyway, I digress -- I appreciate your sense of living and understanding your Catholic friends and I also hope they (and I) reciprocate that -- may God be with you, brother in Christ
441
posted on
03/17/2010 3:26:58 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: Titanites; wmfights
The sola scriptura crowd can't get history straight and then they wonder why we don't believe their interpretation of scripture. Go figure.
Well, actually the problem is that the sola scriptura crowd put their own interpretation on things or rather, they understand incompletely because they read as individuals, not the Community of THe Church -- so just as wmfights made his own incorrect conclusion by reading the history incompletely, so too do they err in reading scripture forgetting that The Bible is the book of The Church and not the other way around.
442
posted on
03/17/2010 3:29:30 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: Cronos
Cool, like St Paul does even now. Keep it up and may the saints pray for Marysecretary too. The dead sai nts are busy asking God to judge this world..
To: Outership
Your 2 posts . . .
LOL.
Sad to observe, for sure.
444
posted on
03/17/2010 3:55:31 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Outership
445
posted on
03/17/2010 3:56:27 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: RnMomof7
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Where do you come up with "sai nts are busy asking God to judge this world"?
446
posted on
03/17/2010 3:57:04 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: Marysecretary
LOL.
INDEED!
Nor I to your pic, Dear Heart!
I might call you Blessed in The Lord, however.
I just want your body whole and healed and blessed of His healing touch!
Thankfully, we are also far too old & flawed for any Imaculate Contraptions stuff, too! LOL.
447
posted on
03/17/2010 3:59:31 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Outership
LOL.
GROSS.
LOL.
I don’t do sculptures—certainly not humans! It’s all I can manage to do a fraction of the functional pottery pieces I want to do.
I don’t even bother much with photo albums any more.
I have some photos of loved ones around—haphazardly taped here and there, that remind me to pray for them.
448
posted on
03/17/2010 4:02:35 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Marysecretary
I hope you're doing better after your latest health complications. Perhaps the arrival of spring will make it all seem better, at least!
Most of us DO show her love and respect, we just dont venerate her as you do.
I don't think you know how I venerate the Lord's mother, or, for that matter, how I venerate the tremendously outstanding OldTax-lady. I don't go around making assumptions about other people's prayer, because I don't figure it's any of my business - just theirs and the Deity's.
449
posted on
03/17/2010 4:05:09 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Upset people bore me.)
To: Alamo-Girl
INDEED.
WHO IS CHRIST? DID HE COME IN THE FLESH, OR NOT?
THAT’S THE BIBLICAL CRITERIA.
Any diminishment of His Deity;
Any qualification/diminishment of His coming in the flesh;
Any competition for His Glory and Singular role in Creation and the earth;
All ought to be more than red flags to send any such forces and personages scurrying, IN THE NAME AND BLOOD OF JESUS.
450
posted on
03/17/2010 4:11:10 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: roamer_1; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. ######################
That's one of the main seductive DECEPTIONS FROM HELL, involved with Fatima, right there.
As Alamo-Girl says so well and persistently:
To God be the glory, not man, never man!
NEVER MAN, INDEED.
EVERY BIBLICAL EXAMPLE of any devotion directed to any object or personage but God, is fiercely proscribed, CONDEMNED, or firmly, sternly instructed away (as in the case of mortals bowing, falling prostrate to angels).
God does not and never has treated such things lightly.
Man may construe 'DEVOTION,' 'ADORATION,' 'VENERATION' and the like as wonderful weasel words side-stepping WORSHIP . . . but God does not.
FOCUS DUE CHRIST JESUS, FATHER, SON
IN GOD'S WORD's DECLARATIONS, ALL SUCH FOCUS MUST ALWAYS BE DIRECTED TO GOD ALONE--NEVER MAN.
Roman Catholics et al have been sooooooooooooooooooo indoctrinated, so brain-washed, sooooooooooooooooooo CONDITIONED [akin to the frog in the warming bucket] to have warm fuzzy FEELINGS about ALL THE MARIAN STUFF that their logic circuits seem to be more or less by-passed by anything with a white hanky associated with it.
GOD IS NOT AMUSED.
It is CONCEIVABLE, to me, that God in His graciousness, MIGHT, on occasion, overlook mild attention to Mary by folks who don't think too critically and are immature in their attractions to God.
However, on the whole, this whole sphere is a deadly serious issue of idolatry and blasphemy, pure and simple.
WHITE-WASHING the procribed focus with weasel words, rationalizations, self-justifications and the like will NOT cut any credibility nor absolution with God, at all.
HE KNOWS the focus and intents of the human heart to the nth degree. And HE HAS made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR what and WHO such focus is to be ALL ABOUT.
HE HAS DECLARED THAT Believers who fail to 'hate' father, mother, sons, daughters, siblings compared to their DEVOTION TO GOD ALONE
ARE NOT FIT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
How much plainer could HE make it?
451
posted on
03/17/2010 4:42:43 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
AMEN! AMEN!
Well put.
Thx.
452
posted on
03/17/2010 4:45:22 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Joya
453
posted on
03/17/2010 4:46:25 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: RnMomof7
THEY are reportedly busy with a diversity of tasks, recreations and RESTINGS.
Some [including Mary] are reportedly teaching aborted babies now as children—in Heaven, the ways of God.
454
posted on
03/17/2010 4:48:42 AM PDT
by
Quix
(BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: Cronos
“I appreciate your sense of living and understanding your Catholic friends and I also hope they (and I) reciprocate that — may God be with you, brother in Christ.”
Thank you for saying that, my brother in Christ. It is good to meet fellow Christians. I am in a family with more than a few Catholics and one, my wife’s first cousin is a Priest in Indiana. Of her cousins, he is one of my favorites.
I lived in Ireland (County Down) for 3 years and if travelling on weekends in the Republic would usually go to a Catholic Church whereever I might be. I was always blessed. I was also closely acquainted with a Church of Ireland priest who led a renewal & reconcilliation ministry there - he and an RC priest travelled together, ministered together in some of the ‘hot spots’ in the border areas. We had a Monday evening prayer & praise meeting that was often both Catholics and non- together, sometimes numbering as many as 200 people. I have witnessed marvellous, miraculous works of God in various ways, and I consider this to have been one of those.
I comment on threads such as this from time to time, with the intent that I will only offer constructive comments. I have no use for the bashers from any point of view. Thank you for all your comments. And yes, I do understand the differences in the Anglican Church. Blessings.
455
posted on
03/17/2010 5:01:08 AM PDT
by
GGpaX4DumpedTea
(I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
To: Tax-chick
I was using a generic you, not you personally. I should have worded it differently. Sorry. I’m improving but have a ways to go. I’m still pretty weak. Yes, Spring HAS improved at least my outlook. God bless, Mary.
456
posted on
03/17/2010 6:02:14 AM PDT
by
Marysecretary
(GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
To: Alamo-Girl
Thank you, A-G. That was a really good post.
457
posted on
03/17/2010 6:04:32 AM PDT
by
Marysecretary
(GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
To: Marysecretary
I’m glad you’re doing better!
As a generalization, I think everyone would be better off if the “We this” vs. “You that” line of reasoning were skipped altogether. Every plural-pronoun-group is made up of invididuals, about whose beliefs we can legitimately claim to know very little.
458
posted on
03/17/2010 6:22:40 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(Upset people bore me.)
To: Quix
EVERY BIBLICAL EXAMPLE of any devotion directed to any object or personage but God, is fiercely proscribed,
Yup, like to the Ark or the Temple. And woe betide anyone who kneels before a Bible to pray or read.
459
posted on
03/17/2010 6:45:52 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
To: Outership
LOL you think I am idolizing Quix? Actually no, it was sarcasm. I thought you might have figured that out ,so my apologies for not being clearer
I have to point out here that I am quite flattered that you actually did a search on my handle and read through who knows how many of my old posts and then even went and compiled a list of them. In this act you have probably paid more attention to me than anyone else on FR or even all of the internet has ever done. I really dont know what to say. Thank you.
You're welcome, I do this when anyone I have not encountered before posts me though -in order understand what their beliefs are
Were you edified or inspired or did you learn anything?
Sorry ,I did not. I have seen the "same ole" "same ole" that's posted around here from typical modernists and anti Catholic's
460
posted on
03/17/2010 6:48:40 AM PDT
by
stfassisi
((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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