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To: Dutchboy88
According to your tag line, the Church is in heaven where Peter is.

Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth. Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep. If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles. Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26), then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church. There is only to be one shepherd of the Church (John 10:16). For the Apostles did not argue amongst themselves whether there was a "greatest" at all, but who amongst them was the greatest (Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46).

5 posted on 03/06/2010 4:55:34 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

That isn’t what your tag line says.

May want to adjust it to “We have decided who the successor to Peter is and wherever that successor is, there is the group that claims to be the only true Church.” That would be more truthful. Because Peter is in heaven. Unless you believe a rather warped gospel.

And I have read Acts dozens of times and I find that Peter is just like the other Apostles and disciples. And if you bothered to read Galatians, you would find that Paul had seriously straighten Peter out from his tendencies to cave into those who would impose Jewish law upon Gentile believers. Peter was no spiritual giant, nor biblical scholar.

By Acts 15, (with Paul’s help) Peter finally got the picture and tried to help straighten out the rest of the crowd. But, even then they settled for a kind of watered down statement that never really went anywhere. The Catholic Church should just read the story and let it teach them...instead of them teaching the Bible what they want it to say.


6 posted on 03/06/2010 5:12:08 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer
Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth.

It certainly does not...The scripture clearly points out that the Holy Spirit is Jesus' representative on earth...

Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

Of course Peter AND the other eleven were responsible for feeding the sheep...All the elders were responsible for feeding the sheep as well...

If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles.

Sure, clear as mud...

Paul didn't answer to Peter...The other apostles who became spread around the continent never answered to Peter...The second generation elders didn't answer to Peter...So who answered to Peter???

Peter wandered the country preaching to and converting Jews...Paul's ministry was to convert the Gentiles...

Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26)

And you are wrong on this one as well...God did not sanction the chosing of another Apostle after Judas...That was the Apostle's idea...When Jesus wanted an Apostle, they were hand picked by Jesus...

And one requirement of being an Apostle was that the Apostle had to have witnessed the mininstry of Jesus and been been alive during the Crucifixion...

James was not replaced when he died...Why do you guys make this stuff up???

, then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church.

Only by someone's twisted human logic...There is no leader of the church outside of the Lord, Jesus Christ...

There is only to be one shepherd of the Church (John 10:16).

True...But it ain't some guy dressed up in a monkey suit sittin' on a throne in Rome...

Psa 23:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd;

For the Apostles did not argue amongst themselves whether there was a "greatest" at all, but who amongst them was the greatest (Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46).

And Jesus immediately shot them down...

Mar 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

The greatest is the one who is the last, and the servant of all...He is not a leader, not a pope...The greatest wil be at the bottom of the heap...

This entire little thesis is wrong from start to finish...This stuff is just plain untrue...Deception at it's best...

11 posted on 03/06/2010 6:52:50 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer; Dutchboy88; Dr. Eckleburg
Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth. Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep.

No, apparently it's not all that clear. According to some discussions I had with our Roman Catholic friends several weeks ago, there are five different Patriarchs making up the Catholic Church. Each Patriarch draws from an apostle and has an "equal" voice. For example, the Orthodox has another apostle that they trace their linage to.

The Pope represents the Roman Catholic Church portion of the entire Catholic Church. He is just one of five Patriarch of the Catholic Church on earth. He carries the same weigh in the Catholic Church as the rest. So your dispute wouldn't be with us Protestants who do not share this linage belief. Rather it seems to me that there is a serious disconnect in the Catholic Church as to who exactly is in control. Apparently Christ DID ask other apostles to "feed His sheep"-at least according to some.

39 posted on 03/07/2010 2:21:33 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: NYer; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; hope; ...

It still boggles my mind that folks think the following nonsense has a shred of truth to it:

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Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep. If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles. Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26), then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church.

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But then bureaucratic self-righteous power mongering tyrannical RELIGIOUS control was alive and well when Jesus walked dusty paths as well.


46 posted on 03/07/2010 3:07:59 PM PST by Quix (THOSE who worked to land us here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: NYer; Dutchboy88
Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth. Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep. If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles. Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26), then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church. There is only to be one shepherd of the Church (John 10:16). For the Apostles did not argue amongst themselves whether there was a "greatest" at all, but who amongst them was the greatest (Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46).

Peter did not believe this, He simply saw himself as an elder. The 1st church council was overseen by James not Peter.. . and he was CERTAINLY not infallible in matters of faith and doctrine

There is no scripture giving the apostles permission to appoint apostles as successors..

There is no apostolic success in the NT, there is no Priesthood in the new church, there is no papacy in the new church..

74 posted on 03/08/2010 12:21:08 PM PST by RnMomof7
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