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But let's take point one...remember your duty. What is our duty? We may be hurt. We may be disappointed. We may be angry as we watch the vestiges of Christian influence die. We may be angry at what we see happening in the courts and in the congresses and the executive offices of our land. What is our response? We may not agree with the decisions that they are making. Here's what he says. "Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be uncontentious, gentle, showing every consideration for all men." Seven virtues are listed there. Seven virtues. Now listen to this. It doesn't matter whether your ruler is Caesar, Herod, Pilate, Felix, Fetus, Agrippa, Stalin, Hitler, Winston Churchill, Bill Clinton, it doesn't matter who it is, he says be subject, you teach them to be subject.

Sorry, but as a Christian, I am under no obligation to submit to any authority that requires me to do something sinful or is sinful itself.

Case in point: if I were a German citizen in Germany in the late 30's or in the 40's, and I knew the atrocities going on by the government, it would be well within the rules/laws/context of the Bible for me to resist the government and to do my utmost to defeat it.

In fact, to do otherwise, would sacrifice my relationship with Christ, and therefore, my Christianity.

This author takes scripture out of context and then spews out an ignorant opinion.

All scripture should be read and implemented in your own life in context of the whole bible, not just isolated scriptures.

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Sorry, but as a Christian, I am under no obligation to submit to any authority that requires me to do something sinful or is sinful itself.

And MacArthur would agree with you on that point.

You say, "Are we ever to disobey?" Yes. There's one occasion when we disobey, that is when they ask us what the Bible forbids us to do or when they ask us not to do what the Bible commands us to do. And the best illustration of that, as you know, is in Acts chapter 4. They told the Apostles not to preach. You remember they summoned them in Acts 4:18, commanded them not to speak or teach. Peter and John said to them, "Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge." You judge whether we obey you or God. "For we cannot stop speaking," they said. Chapter 5, they flogged them, whipped them, verse 40, ordered them to speak no more. They went on their way from the presence of the council rejoicing they had been considered worthy to suffer and verse 42, every day in the temple from house to house they kept right on teaching, preaching Jesus as Christ.

There comes a point in time when the state turns against the church and tells the church not to do what God has mandated to do, then we have to obey God and suffer the consequence...be it prison or death. The only time we disobey is when we have been mandated by Scripture to do something we are forbidden to do or not to do something we are being compelled to do. We are obedient.

This author takes scripture out of context and then spews out an ignorant opinion.

Try reading the entire surmon.

"The Christian's Responsibility In a Pagan Society--Part 1"

"The Christian's Responsibility In a Pagan Society--Part 2"

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“Sorry, but as a Christian, I am under no obligation to submit to any authority that requires me to do something sinful or is sinful itself.

Case in point: if I were a German citizen in Germany in the late 30’s or in the 40’s, and I knew the atrocities going on by the government, it would be well within the rules/laws/context of the Bible for me to resist the government and to do my utmost to defeat it.
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Woe to the slavers and indian killers that built this country for us!