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To: srweaver
In 2008 there were 1.166 billion baptized Catholics worldwide.

The church does not pretend to know people's hearts, and practices Cannon Law. The church can apply Cannon law to those within the jurisdiction of the church (priests), it isn't a one-step process.

The Catechism makes clear God's laws but does not dictate God's mercy.

Therefore, it is impossible for the church to take immediate actions against those who offend God. That is up to God.

ccc2272 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society." "Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. ‘A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,’ [CIC, can. 1398] ‘by the very commission of the offense,’ [CIC, can. 1314] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. [Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324] The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society." "Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. ‘A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,’ [CIC, can. 1398] ‘by the very commission of the offense,’ [CIC, can. 1314] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law [Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324]. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society."

251 posted on 03/06/2010 2:38:27 PM PST by mgist
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To: mgist

So, then, in the Catholic Church, excommunication means nothing as far as being a visible, participating Catholic.

Excommunication, to this believer, based on the Bible, means an instant expulsion from the fellowship of other believers, with a view toward promoting repentance so that the offending “sinner” will repent and return to communion with the saints...and with God.

1 Corinthians 5:1  It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.
2  And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3  For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4  In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5  To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6  Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8  Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Is seems the Catholic position is almost exactly opposite the biblical posotion.

Thank you for the clarifying information, I now understand better why the Catholic Church doesn’t “put its money where its mouth is” regarding church discipline.


252 posted on 03/06/2010 2:59:33 PM PST by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: mgist

The church does not pretend to know people’s hearts, and practices Cannon Law. Neither do I.

Church discipline is not based on people’s hearts, but on their actions.


253 posted on 03/06/2010 3:00:57 PM PST by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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