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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; MHGinTN; TXnMA; Mr Rogers
Indeed, a thing is true because God says it, not because it measures up to some human standard of truth.

Unless God (assuming you would recognize him!) said it in front of you, you must believe it, based on nothing more than another man's testimony. So, when you say that God said something how is it that you "know" unless you are willing to believe that a book, which was written by an human, represents God word?

In the past I have gotten answers like "because the Spirit revealed it to me," or something to that effect. Which basically means I have would have to believe you just because you say so.

In other words you believe it's true because it's in the book and the book is true because you believe it is!

551 posted on 03/05/2010 3:44:42 PM PST by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; MHGinTN; TXnMA; Mr Rogers
It has been my observation and experience that:

ALMIGHTY GOD

Is faithful

--according to HIS priorities, ways and schedule--

to provide plenty of dialogue and evidence of HIMSELF in a Believer's life

WHO is earnestly endeavoring to put Him first and walk according to His Manual.

While also providing sufficient hindrances to the haughty, demanding, prissy, self-righteous pharisees to leave them and their stinkin' thinkin' and stinkin' attitudes outside the camp.

Folks who seek to know God must approach Him according to HIS SCRIPT, not theirs.

He shows remarkable flexibility for those who truly LOVE HIM and show it.

He's the most immovable entity there is . . . to those who won't.

552 posted on 03/05/2010 3:56:38 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kosta50

Yes. It comes down to belief. It doesn’t have to be an unreasonable belief, but there is a reason we are saved by grace thru faith, not grace thru proof.


553 posted on 03/05/2010 3:59:48 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; MHGinTN; TXnMA; Mr Rogers
Unless God (assuming you would recognize him!) said it in front of you, you must believe it, based on nothing more than another man's testimony. So, when you say that God said something how is it that you "know" unless you are willing to believe that a book, which was written by an human, represents God word?

God is not a hypothesis. He lives. His Name is I AM. I've known Him for a half century and counting.

The words of God are spirit and life. The words of men are neither spirit nor life.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

The natural man cannot discern the words of God. To him, they are merely words like any other. The natural man does not have "ears to hear."

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:14

The indwelling Holy Spirit brings the words of God alive within me. That is how I spiritually discern the difference between the words of God and the words of men.

But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - John 14:26

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:29

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. - John 15:4

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

580 posted on 03/05/2010 9:59:24 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; MHGinTN

kosta: In other words you believe it’s true because it’s in the book and the book is true because you believe it is!

Mankind has always lived by revelation. Revelation from the living personal God, from the spirit realm, and from other men.

Take the accusation smugly flung by you at betty boop, and other Christians in an apparent attempt at showing them to be believers in superstitious nonsense. Underlying your so-called ‘empirically’ provable accusation is the revelatory nonsense made up by moral imbeciles, most notably, Feuerbach.

Feuerbach was an idiot. It was he who declared that God is an invention of superstitious, ignorant men after he had rearranged Hegel’s pantheistic dialectic.

Hegel was a master magician, a student of Hermeticism, alchemy, Theosophy, and other such esoteric teachings. In short, mysticism is the spiritual foundation of Hegels’ dialectic, just as it is the foundation of Marx’s materialist dialectic. And just as it is the foundation of so-called ‘evolutionism,’ whether of the Darwinian, neo-Darwinian, punctuated equilibrium, or panspermia variant.

In short, the accusation you tossed at betty, et al, is itself the revelation of a man-—a lying idiot at that. And you ‘faithfully’ believe it, and believe it absolutely. Using your own words: “... you believe it’s true because Feuerbach the swindler said it and Feuerbach is true because you believe he is!”


710 posted on 03/08/2010 6:21:47 AM PST by spirited irish
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