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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Mr Rogers

You bring up a perfect point. If Calvinism is true, then the Bible, worship and all debate becomes meaningless. If a person is either among the elect or among the damned and NOTHING can change it, then talking about it is a waste of time. Why do Calvinists spend a penny on missionary work if they actually believe in election? Calvinism, taken to its logical conclusion, really means that a person can live their life however they wish because the outcome has been predetermined.


461 posted on 03/05/2010 6:32:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Why do Calvinists spend a penny on missionary work if they actually believe in election?

The general argument is that if they don't spend that penny then maybe they are not really numbered among the elect. It seems to me to be a back-door approach to the idea that you are saved by works.

465 posted on 03/05/2010 6:54:48 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe; xzins; Mr Rogers; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; ShadowAce
Why do Calvinists spend a penny on missionary work if they actually believe in election?
Means.

Love and love for the commands of God.

Despair for the lost.

Did I say "means"? Means.
468 posted on 03/05/2010 7:10:27 AM PST by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write"-Jerome (Against Vigilantius))
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe
Calvinists preach the Gospel for the same reason any Christian does -- so that those God has chosen to give new ears will hear the truth and believe.

"The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them." -- Proverbs 20:12


"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." -- Mark 16:15-16


505 posted on 03/05/2010 10:13:58 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe; xzins; Mr Rogers; Dr. Eckleburg; raynearhood
Calvinism, taken to its logical conclusion, really means that a person can live their life however they wish because the outcome has been predetermined.

No, not at all. This again is hyper-Calvinism, which is anti-Calvinism. Calvinists proclaim that Paul openly and clearly addresses the above way of thinking and SHREDS IT TO RIBBONS. Paul says over and over "BY NO MEANS!" :) Hyper-Calvinism is anti-Biblical and therefore anti-Calvinist. It would be like saying that conservatism leads to hyper-conservatism which is Nazism. No, American conservatism utterly and completely rejects Nazism. The latter is NOT a logical extension of the former.

584 posted on 03/05/2010 11:13:08 PM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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