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The Beginning of the Reformation's End?
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2/26/10 | Charlotte Hays

Posted on 02/26/2010 7:32:49 PM PST by marshmallow

On a recent evening, about 60 people—ex-Episcopalians, curious Catholics and a smattering of earnest Episcopal priests in clerical collars—gathered downtown for an unusual liturgy: It was Evensong and Benediction, sung according to the Book of Divine Worship, an Anglican Use liturgical book still being prepared in Rome.

Beautiful evensongs are a signature of Protestant Episcopal worship. Benediction, which consists of hymns, canticles or litanies before the consecrated host on the altar, is a Catholic devotion. We were getting a blend of both at St. Mary Mother of God Church, lent for the occasion.

One former Episcopalian present confessed to having to choke back tears as the first plainsong strains of "Humbly I Adore Thee," the Anglican version of a hymn by St. Thomas Aquinas, floated down from the organ in the balcony. A convert to Catholicism, she could not believe she was sitting in a Catholic Church, hearing the words of her Anglican girlhood—and as part of an authorized, Roman Catholic liturgy.

And that was not the only miracle. Although the texts had been carefully vetted in Rome for theological points, the words being sung were written by Thomas Cranmer, King Henry VIII's architect of the English Reformation. "He remembering his mercy hath holpen his servant Israel," the congregation chanted, "as he promised to our forefathers, Abraham and his seed for ever."

The language of this translation of the Magnificat, one of Christianity's two great evening canticles, is unfamiliar to many Episcopalians today, as it comes from earlier versions of their Book of Common Prayer. Yet a number of former Anglicans are eager to carry some of this liturgy with them when they swim the Tiber, as Episcopalians becoming Catholic often call the conversion. "I wonder why the phrase 'and there is no health in us' was omitted from the...................

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To: annalex

It’s nice out that way. My son went to school in Missouri. It’s a lot different terrain than I’m used to here.


901 posted on 03/19/2010 6:51:58 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary
Christianity is a religion. Unless you are going to redefine the term, religion, in an unconventional way. Once that happens, we no longer have a language that conveys meaning. It is a religion that is founded upon belief in a Triune God. A non-denominational congregation is by definition one that is totally autonomous. It has no institutional supervision. When you say that most are under authority, you did not say to whom or to what they are under authority? Do you even know what your non-denominational congregation believes? Yes, we are all accountable to Christ, but how does that prevent false teachers, preachers, and prophets from misleading people? A person that is deceived does not know that he is deceived. He believes that what he believes is the truth even though it may be a lie. How do you know that you are not being deceived?
902 posted on 03/19/2010 7:40:25 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex; Marysecretary
"Christianity is a religion. Unless you are going to redefine the term, religion, in an unconventional way."

No, Christianity is the one and only way to God. Christianity is defined by God, not man.

Religion, as used in the Bible, is everything but Christianity. Religion is defined by the men that create it.

Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, and whatever, are all as defined by men. Christ defined his church, and based it upon himself, the Rock cut without hands, the "Head of the Corner" (as in the top of a pyramid).

The only real church is thus non-denominational, and its many congregations hold only the name of its creator, Jesus Christ. Their members test their beliefs by God's written word, by prayer, and by 'testing' the spirits, as revealed by the Apostle John in his epistle:

1Jo 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
"Yes, we are all accountable to Christ, but how does that prevent false teachers, preachers, and prophets from misleading people?"

By prayer, and by believing God's word, not the fallible constructs and traditions of men. If it cannot be found in the word, it is not from God. - Be a Berean!

Acts 17:
10: And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

903 posted on 03/19/2010 8:16:08 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thank you. E-S. Good job....


904 posted on 03/19/2010 9:32:20 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Nosterrex

Read the Word yourself and rely on the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you. Religion is what leads people astray, such as the Catholic Church and all of its extra-Biblical teachings. Draw close to Christ Himself, not to man’s religious efforts to reach God.


905 posted on 03/19/2010 9:35:56 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary
That sounds nice, but that is a formula for heresy and schism. There are many that read the Word for themselves and rely on the Holy Spirit only to be deceived by cults and sects. What distorted definition of religion are you using? I suggest that you buy a dictionary and trying looking up the term. Do you seriously believe that you are not promoting a religion or religious view?
906 posted on 03/19/2010 11:58:31 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

And there are many who rely on MOPIOS for their misguided interpretation of scripture. Take your pick.


907 posted on 03/19/2010 12:02:49 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Nosterrex

And there are many who rely on MOPIOS for their misguided interpretation of scripture. Take your pick.


908 posted on 03/19/2010 12:03:03 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Christianity is a religion. Buy a dictionary and look up the term. Does not the Bible tell us to practice religion? In my Bible it does. Christianity is a term created by man, or do you not know this? Look in your Bible and try and find the term, Christianity? Everything that you have stated is based upon the authority of some person that has told you what to believe. You do not seem to be aware of this. There is no theological difference between a non-denominational church and a denominational church. It is only one of polity. Everything that you believe comes to you from other denomination. Name me something that you believe that you cannot find in some other denomination?
Reading the Bible is no guarantee that you understand it or interpret it correctly. If it did, every Christian would believe the same thing.
909 posted on 03/19/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Marysecretary

I do not know what MOPIOS is.


910 posted on 03/19/2010 12:11:09 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

No, Christianity is a relationship with the Lord. It’s a way of life. Religion is a system of do’s and don’t’s, trying to work yourself to God. I trust the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.


911 posted on 03/19/2010 12:21:50 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Nosterrex

Magisterium’s own personal interpretation of scripture.


912 posted on 03/19/2010 12:23:43 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary
You have created your own personal definition of the term, religion. That is what religion means to you, but the rest of us have to live in the real world in which the meaning of terms is determined by convention. The Bible uses the term religion, deisidaimonia, as belief in God with the implications of corresponding behavior, and religion is understood as something good. Jesus was a very religious Jew, and he observed all the religious customs and requirements. I bet he would be surprised to learn that religion is a bad thing.
913 posted on 03/19/2010 12:38:41 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Marysecretary
I am not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox so we do not have an official magisterium. Every denomination or congregation has its own magisterium whether it is officially called that or not. Usually it is the pastor or preacher. People look to some human authority to interpret the Bible for them. Even in those congregations that claim not to follow the teachings of men, they in fact do just that. They simply refuse to admit it.
914 posted on 03/19/2010 12:46:04 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

Sorry, but religion is an impostor to christianity.

Everything that I have stated is based upon the authority of the word of God. I claim nothing that is not therein written.

There are “theological differences” even between individual congregations of each denomination. I believe nothing that cannot be found written in the word of God. That is the only reliable authority on Earth. I care nothing about what any denomination may or may not believe.

Your words offer only dark confusion from your Father, the Devil. To follow your reply is to give him comfort.


915 posted on 03/19/2010 1:08:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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916 posted on 03/19/2010 1:53:09 PM PDT by xone
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To: RnMomof7
I live in a very Catholic area ..guessing maybe 75% RC by birth..But I would also guess that the percentage of practicing Catholics is less than 50% of that number.. In my neighborhood kids see the inside of the church when baptized, then they go to CCd at around 7 so they can make their 1st communion.. after that maybe they will be there for their wedding or funeral.

I live in the same situation and have observed the same thing. Also, both of my sons went to RC High Schools and the lack of Scriptural knowledge is comparable with the secular world.

Membership can be very misleading. I am a member of a church that has 1,800 listed members, but every Sunday we have around 4,000 in attendance. About 25% of our membership are ex-RC's. If that stat is a constant we have another 550 RC's attending every Sunday that haven't become members and are being counted at their old RC parish.

917 posted on 03/19/2010 2:23:10 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Nosterrex; editor-surveyor; Marysecretary

Religion is external practices not internal regeneration


918 posted on 03/19/2010 2:47:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

That nails it perfectly!


919 posted on 03/19/2010 3:07:12 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

I try :)


920 posted on 03/19/2010 3:19:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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