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To: Belteshazzar
the words God spoke regarding man just three verses previous to this do not apply to Noah?

That we strictly speaking don't know because the scripture does not say anything on that subject. But we know that the scripture is written in such a way to emphasize that both the wicked men and Noah acted on their free will.

The point you are now making is valid: the ability to do good is enabled by divine grace, and the scripture, here and eslewhere is very clear on that. You original point was that these verses somehow teach absense of free will, and that is flat contradicted by the verse itself, and its immediate context, as I pointed out in my previous post.

261 posted on 02/24/2010 4:28:07 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

annalex said:

“But we know that the scripture is written in such a way to emphasize that both the wicked men and Noah acted on their free will.”

How do WE know that?

then annalex said:

“You original point was that these verses somehow teach absense of free will, and that is flat contradicted by the verse itself, and its immediate context, as I pointed out in my previous post.”

I am beginning to believe that you would argue that black was white if the magisterium told you it was so. Can you not even read plain language? You too are telling God what He means. You are taking God aside and rebuking Him. It will come to no good.

The text of Genesis is completely against you, as is the context of the chapter as a whole, Genesis as a whole, and the Holy Scriptures from beginning to end.

Again, I ask: HOW DO WE KNOW what you so breezily assert.


263 posted on 02/24/2010 4:39:41 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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