Posted on 02/23/2010 9:25:41 AM PST by stfassisi
Are you a mind reader now?
You previously posted that the USCCB was the major force behind Obamacare and they were doing this to promote socialism.
This is patently FALSE.
When asked for proof you accused me of being a "Bernie Sander's Socialist" with a "far, far left postition;" your post was removed, but here is my reply:
To: the_conscience; Natural Law; Petronski; Mad Dawg; Titanites; MarkBsnr; Coleus; narses; Campion; ...Apparently wigglebee [sic] is a Bernie Sander's liberal since from his far far left position the USCCB's socialism looks like conservatism.The ONLY thing preventing me from saying what I actually think of you is the fact that this thread is posted in the Religion Forum.
I have been a FReeper for just under six years, I have made a lot of FRiends here and a few enemies. However, nobody has EVER suggested that I am a "Bernie Sander's liberal" with a "far far left position".
I have never once said that the USCCB was always in line with Catholic teachings.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I am pretty much there myself. Even though at this point in time I don't have the time to read the threads, I am not sure that I would for the same reason. Too many thin skinned crybabies, tattletalers, and ones adept at dodging the letter of the rules but not the spirit from the RC side, for me to find any decent discussion where both sides can learn from each other about the different beliefs. (Yes, I admit there are bad apples on each viewpoint, but there is an obvious abundance of ones on one side that do not get reprimanded).
Opps...should have said said. Whew!
And they also included the cults in the count
Sometimes one becomes apostate and then the traditional members break off as what happened with the PCUSA or more recently the ELC went liberal crazy so the remnant are forming the northern Lutheran denomination
They will basically hold to the same doctrine as the Missouri Synod
Denomination are often regional or racial or ethnic at their core not doctrinal
BTW 154 is a LONG way from 20,000
God judges us as individuals, I don't see a need to focus on the actual church. I'm just glad I'm Catholic, and belong to My True Universal Church. I can go to a Mass anywhere in the world and know exactly what I'm going to get. The same daily Psalms and same daily Gospel passage will be recited in every Catholic church throughout the world.
And the purpose of Baptism to a Roman Catholic is?
Do you understand the doctrine of total depravity is..from your posts I do not think so
Both men were brilliant but Aquinas was wrong on many things in spite of his brilliance
Through the implicit Calvinism of most of it’s key Founders (regardless of their personal religious views) THE USA ITSELF is a “harvest” of Protestantism.
Do you, along with the author, consider America a “barren harvest?”
I must admit, the more I see of these radical Roman Catholic postings, the more I understand America’s Founding Father’s suspicions of Roman Catholicism.
I Know what totally depravity is and I reject that our nature is inclined to evil.God has “written the law of love on our hearts” from conception”,so we are NOT inclined to evil and unable to love God.We can freely Co-Operate with the Law of love written on our heart. God predestines NO one to hell either or it would be part of God’s will and be in His essence ,thus making God imperfect.We have been through this before already and your theology is flawed
The Church did NOT ever teach total depravity ,therefore it’s heretical
“”And the purpose of Baptism to a Roman Catholic is?””
Removal of WOUNDED nature of original sin
We are only wounded by original sin because it’s only paternal sin and NOT a choice.
From Saint Thomas Aquinas...
“original sin is not called sin in the same sense, but only in an analogous sense.”
I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. Wimmin' preachers and all.
“There are several Baptist denominations but they are all Baptists holding the same doctrine.”
Try telling that to the Southern Baptists or the various Black denominations.
Of course the 154 various Protestant denominations were over a quarter of a century ago and only to the US, a detail that appears to have escaped your attention.
I don't know.Time will tell,but it's not looking too good these days with legal abortion,pornography and many other moral aberrations all protected under laws of what is called freedom. That's not freedom-freedom means free from error,dear friend.You know this- "The truth shall set you free"
The USCCB is NOT the “most powerful lobbyist group on Capitol Hill.”
Patently ridiculous.
Were the FF suspicious of Charles Carroll?
How about Thomas Fitzsimons?
Daniel Carroll?
stfassisi said:
“I Know what totally depravity is and I reject that our nature is inclined to evil.God has “written the law of love on our hearts” from conception”,so we are NOT inclined to evil and unable to love God.”
I simply repeat: “Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that EVERY intent of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY evil CONTINUALLY.” (Genesis 6:5)
And then I ask, in all sincerity and humility, with whom are you arguing?
I am not looking to score points, vex, belittle, or mock you in any way, not anything so selfish and foolish as that. I am only pointing out that you are approaching the point of telling God that He does not know what He is talking about, and it will lead to no good thing.
One more thing, if we are hopelessly corrupt and depraved, enemies of God and destined for hell, then there is only one hope: a Savior who will be what we are not and do what we cannot, and who will send His Spirit to bring us the light of truth.
“But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Corinthians 15:57)
Because it is very well written, and speaks the truth.
I am not going to sort out various brands of conservatism. What I read by Rao was Catholic apologetics similar to this article and I recommend them to anoyne. Since his political views got him banned from FR, I would not be able to defend them even if I wanted to.
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