Posted on 02/22/2010 9:47:13 PM PST by restornu
Why, as a Christian, would I be the least bit interested in what a non-Christian has to say about “inaccuracies” in the Bible? You either believe it to be the word of God or you don’t. If you believe it to be the word of God, then, yes things do make sense and one can see the wonders of the book. If you don’t believe it to be the word of God it will look like it’s riddled with errors.
Sinful man will never see the glory of God.
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I wonder why you are distorting the thread.
No where the artcile deny the word of God
Prof Tov observations
The article is talking about man who is infallible!
You might say we had no really good evidence of what the Hebrew Bible looked like, until the discoveries of Qumran.
It turns out that our knowledge was rather good, but we had no evidence in our hands.
So, the first time that we were able to see what an ancient Hebrew Bible looked like was after these documents were found near the Dead Sea.
We now know what is meant by a copy of the Hebrew Bible from early periods.
We now know that the text was written in a scroll, and when we say scroll, we really mean something which was rolled.
We mean that these were sheets of leather sewn to each other or glued to each other, on each of which you could have a number of columns of writing.
Each column is what we would probably call a page, and so normally you’d have three or four columns on each sheet, with a fixed number of lines.
We now see what the text looked like.
We see that there are scribes who wrote well, and we see that there are scribes who were rather sloppy.
We simply must remember that this is a human scribe of blood and flesh who wrote this scroll and hence produced a product which, in his case, was not a good product.
Even Jesus was aware of error and bias
They were condemned as a class by the Lord for their unrighteousness (”Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!” in Matt. 23:39).
My apologies. I got to the part that says “(Emmanuel Tov, “The Hebrew Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls,” ...” and thought the rest of the article (the good part) were references. Had I read the article from bottom to top I would have caught my faux pas.
Tov is the lead translator for the DSS. What this article DOESN’T explain without further investigation, is that Tov’s comments (taken out of greater context to his writings) are being used to degrade the bible by mormon apologists in order to deflect criticism from the myrads of errors in the book of mormon - kinda a “don’t talk about the errors in the bom when YOUR bible has all these errors”
As often happens, (unofficial) mormon apologists, like the one who wrote this peace, have no clue as to textural criticism or the methodology used to examine ancient scriptural texts against others - they only want to place doubt so they can try to fill that doubt with the book of mormon.
Now you’ve confused me. You posted a article by a Hebrew scholar that states there are no errors and admonish me for misreading; then you make the comment “Even Jesus was aware of error and bias”. I might be misreading what you are stating. Are you saying Jesus was aware of error and bias in the scripture?
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To me this is why I study and ponder and pray over the scriptures to receive a better understanding. MO< It is more that these were bad dudes in Matt 23 their actions revealed that they were bias and recent Jesus for shining the light on truth that would disturb their franchise or the community they had under their influence.
Today we watch in the secular world a similar scenario taken place instead of the Lord it is the Lord’s secular government that the Lord gave to His sovereign children to live under is being threaten.
When we read Matt 23 we see that Q&A was more like an interrogation but over and over Jesus called them out on it!
Gal 1
Preachers of false gospels are accursed—Paul received the gospel by revelation.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Cannot have it both ways to say the gospel is infallible and at the same time the Lord was able to talk to His servant Paul to warn him that there are those who are messing with His Gospel.
The Lord gave Paul His gospel again through revelation we are give very little information but just this little sniped. Than Paul reassures the saints that what Paul preaches was received through revelation.
After the last apostle on earth there was a period of couple hundred years of Christian wars and trying to preserve the gospel unfortunately there were only copies of copies left.
At least now for long!
And the SCRIBES that worked with Joseph Smith: how would categorize THEIR work?
Join the crowd!
NOT for long!
that is indeed what appears to be said - the Jesus railed on the scribes because they could not spell or print clearly. The mormon point of view is to denegrate the bible to exalt the book of mormon. It appears you recognize that Jesus's words were against their religious error and bias - and that the context cannot be stretched to accuse the scribes ability or lack of ability to copy scriptures accuratly. You recognize it for what it is.
The Lord only "talked" to Paul on rare occasion. All it really takes is a basic understanding of the gospel to know when someone is "messing" with it. At the risk of injecting an anedotal experience, I remember two weeks after I became a Christian, the pastor's wife tried to tell me that the virgin birth didn't happen. I didn't buy into that simply because of the Holy Spirit.
There is a vast difference between believing the word of God is infallible and believing one's interpretation of the word of God is infallible.
The Lord gave Paul His gospel again through revelation we are give very little information but just this little sniped. Than Paul reassures the saints that what Paul preaches was received through revelation.
Yes, and then Peter confirmed what Paul was preaching was scripture. We don't need any more information then what is provided.
After the last apostle on earth there was a period of couple hundred years of Christian wars and trying to preserve the gospel unfortunately there were only copies of copies left.
So? Moses destroyed the original tablets that God had written the Ten Commandments on. Would anyone say the second tablets that Moses wrote were not the original Ten Commandments?
The scriptures have been preserved. In King Josiah's time they thought the scriptures were lost for hundreds of year until they discovered them hidden in a secret room. How did the people KNOW that those scriptures were the truth scriptures? They read the entire book to the people and the people repented.
I will add this, if you do not believe the scriptures to be the infallible word of God, then you should examine yourself to see if you are in the faith. The scriptures bear witness to our spirit. "Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee." You certainly can't hide anything in your heart if you don't believe it.
Amen!
Yes. In my mind the word of God is the ONLY thing that is pure in this corrupt world. It is a small little hole in which we can peek into the beautiful heavenly world.
I will add this, if you do not believe the scriptures to be the infallible word of God, then you should examine yourself to see if you are in the faith. The scriptures bear witness to our spirit. “Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee.” You certainly can’t hide anything in your heart if you don’t believe it.
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I am sorry humans make mistakes, some have agenda, some could be bias, sometimes governments get involved because of pride or control etc.
If some clergy did not corrupt the scriptures how do you think they were able to have the Lord Crucified?
It was a conspiracy we can read a little of it in the NT and between the lines of what was not said!
Only God is perfect
That is why we Protestants believe that we should read the scriptures for ourselves and make our decisions. When you base your doctrine on what someone else tells you, even if they said they were handed a bunch of tablets by some angel, then you have problems. This is something I tell our Catholic friends all the time. ;O)
That is why we Protestants believe that we should read the scriptures for ourselves and make our decisions. When you base your doctrine on what someone else tells you,
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Not so!
That is a misnomer
All of my awareness come from studying the word of God be it the Bible the the Book of Mormon it to study, ponder and pray it has always been in my life a one on one!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2458073/posts?page=9#9
Sorry wrong link
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2458073/posts?page=7#7
That is why we Protestants believe that we should read the scriptures for ourselves and make our decisions. When you base your doctrine on what someone else tells you,
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Not so!
That is a misnomer
All of my awareness come from studying the word of God be it the Bible the the Book of Mormon it to study, ponder and pray it has always been in my life a one on one!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2458073/posts?page=6#6
sorry I am in the middle of another project
I agree, that is why we expose the false teachings smothered over the bible - corrupting it just so some other inspired 'scripture' can be touted.
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