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* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Keep a Good Lent!
Posted on 02/21/2010 1:44:48 PM PST by SmithL
Yep, deal breaker, but the church has been going that way for a long time now.
Like saying that going bisexual "just offers another option for Saturday night." Like Obamanoid Robert Gibbs, the arrogance of these leftwing secular pseudochristian posers is nauseating.
“God is far more open than us on lots of things.”
No...He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. God never contradicts what he has written. He also warns never to add or take away from his word.
Sins committed and or tolerated in the name of “equality and civil rights” are subject to God’s “Supra-constitutional” oversight. Christians may have to choose between what is “constitutional” and what is Biblical...and the chasm is getting wider and harder to bridge.
You can have a homosexual preacher who enjoys doing a little fisting on Sunday morning, before he uses the same hand to give you the body of Christ at Holy Communion. You don't have to, but if you want to, you can give it a try.
These are the same reasons raised by those that accepted and endorsed women’s ordination: (1) It is an issue of equality and justice (2) The church has to change with the times (3) God’s grace means that you can ignore the law (Gospel Reductionism). Using those reasons, you can justify or rationalize anything. It is nothing other than cultural relativism. The contemporary culture determines what is meant by equality and justice, and what is moral. There is nothing objectively or intrinsically good or bad. Many ancient societies accepted and promoted pedophilia. It was considered a virtue by the Spartans as was killing slaves as long as you did not get caught. Getting caught was bad. I could justify these acts using the same arguments that you find in the ELCA.
Exodua Ping
“Come out from among them”-St. Paul
This is NOT a matter of equality and civil rights - it’s a matter of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
That line of reasoning was first used to embrace the use of artificial birth control.
Then it was used to embrace divorce and remarriage after divorce, first for the laity, then for the clergy.
Then and only then came the push for women’s ordination.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Keep a Good Lent!
Pastor Vaswig, may I refer you to Malachi 3:6a?
"For I am the LORD, I change not."
Seems pretty clear to me.
Good point, and one I had forgotten about (the birth control angle). Sadly, WELS is the only major synod I know of that actually takes a stand on the pill. Though I know a few LCMS pastors who are quietly questioning the synods view of birth control.
You are right. It does feed upon itself. The same methodology of what is called deconstructionism undermines not only the Scriptures but what Christians have believed, taught, and confessed for two thousand years. That is the problem with cultural relativism. Everything become relative including morals and commonsense.
Some theological systems teach a weighing or amalgamation of Scripture, Tradition, Experience, and Reason.
In the ELCA it is clear that Experience and Reason trump Scripture and Tradition. The weight and authority accorded to each is probably—greatest to least—in the order listed in this paragraph.
I understand that people are of many minds when it comes to religious belief. That's why there are denominations. You can go anywhere you want, believe whatever you want.
Listening to this prattle the only words that jump to my mind are, "Get thee behind me!"
Nobody's stopping them from starting the GCLA. In the bigger picture, no one is stopping them from starting the Gay Scouts, either.
I mind the disengenuousness. I mind that he has so little regard for his flock that he does not feel the need to tell a better quality lie.
A lie, by definition, is not just the intentional telling of a falsehood. It is also offering facts that, while technically true, leave a false of misleading impression.
He's lying. I know that God is truth, and I know who the King of Lies is.
I understand why they want to chain themselves to believers. Theres' no good reason, however, for believers to be chained to the spiritual corpse the ECLA has become.
Don’t forget abortion.
It is begging for an update.
Pilgrim Lutheran Church took a vote and a number of members, including the acting senior pastor, chose to break off and form their own congregation. They established a new congregation which now meets at Ballou Junior High School.
Now we are two churches instead of one,” said Mike Deal, a Pilgrim Lutheran parishoner who spoke as an individual and not on behalf of the church.
He and his wife have made the decision to stay with the original Pilgrim Lutheran Church.
“I feel very strongly that it is a matter of equality and civil rights,” he added.
I will have you know that I (right way right) am a member of this church, (the portion that split and left) and it has has been nothing but a genuine blessing to those that did leave!
It has been absolutely incredible what God has done in blessing our holding to His WORD and set out into the wilderness as we have done.
To God be the Glory!
This is a link to the home page of Living word Lutheran Church.
http://livingwordlutheranchurch.com/index.html
The "we are now two churches" statement made by Mike Deal in this article is ridiculous!
The have their clubhouse at Pilgrim, and we have church!
Even though it meets at a school, we just truck it all there, it takes an hour to set up and we are very happy and at peace with doing so.
There has already been tremendous growth and there will be more.
The whole assumption that this is all about a sexual issue is wrong.
What this is about is the ELCA taking up every left wing liberal political social cause placing it over the authority of God and ramming it down the throats of the membership. Well, now they are hitting the gag reflex!
It's been over due!
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