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Weekly "Heart of the Matter" Show thread
Heart of the Matter on TV20 ^ | 2/16/10 | Shawn McCraney

Posted on 02/16/2010 6:58:55 PM PST by reaganaut

This is a thread for the live streaming of Heart of the Matter an outreach to the LDS. A link with the archive will be posted when it is up.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; bornagainmormon; christian; heartofthematter; lds; ministry; mormon; progressives; saltlakecity; shawnmccraney; tv; utah
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To: BlueMoose

Baptism signifies

the faithfulness of God,
the washing away of sin,
rebirth,
putting on the fresh garment of Christ,
being sealed by God’s Spirit,
adoption into the covenant family of the Church,
resurrection and illumination in Christ.
(Book of Order W-2.3004)

Unlike some denominations, Presbyterians do not require a person to be entirely immersed in water during baptism. Baptism is received only once. Its effect is not tied to the moment when it is administered, for it signifies the beginning of life in Christ, not its completion. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) believes that persons of other denominations are part of one body of Christian believers; therefore, it recognizes and accepts baptisms by other Christian churches.

Baptism is almost always administered as part of a worship service. In the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), baptism must be authorized by the session of a particular congregation and performed by a minister.


61 posted on 02/17/2010 8:13:51 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Are you finally coming around, or do you disagree with this?
62 posted on 02/17/2010 8:16:57 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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However, historically there have been widespread differences of opinion among men equally committed to accepting the Bible as our God-given, inspired, and infallible rule of faith and practice. This is true within Protestantism. Evangelical Protestants reject the Romish notion of baptismal regeneration, but they differ among themselves as to the proper mode and subjects of baptism. Historically, the Reformed churches along with the Lutheran, Episcopal, Congregational, and Methodist churches have accepted that pouring, sprinkling, and dipping are all valid modes of baptism. They have also believed that baptism should be administered to believers and to their children because their children are included in God’s covenant with His people. The proper sign and seal of the covenantis baptism, which should therefore be administered to the children of the covenant.

Over against this view, Baptists and Anabaptists have argued that baptism must follow a personal profession of faith. It cannot legitimately be administered to children who have made no such personal profession. The New Testament nowhere commands or mentions the baptism of children. The only baptism it knows is believer’s baptism.

On the mode of baptism, Baptists insist that only immersion is acceptable because, they say, the verb baptizo means “to dip,” and the symbolism of Romans 6 (death, burial, and resurrection) demands immersion. Interestingly, the early Anabaptists of the Reformation period baptized believers by pouring.


63 posted on 02/17/2010 8:25:44 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

However, historically there have been widespread differences of opinion among men equally committed to accepting the Bible as our God-given, inspired, and infallible rule of faith and practice

Before you ask I agree.


64 posted on 02/17/2010 8:29:39 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

1 Tim. 6:20-21 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.


65 posted on 02/17/2010 8:39:21 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose; ejonesie22

Source ping!

“Unlike some denominations, Presbyterians do not require a person to ...”

http://www.pcusa.org/101/101-infant.htm


66 posted on 02/17/2010 8:43:07 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BlueMoose

Source ping!

“Unlike some denominations, Presbyterians do not require a person to ...”

http://www.pcusa.org/101/101-infant.htm


67 posted on 02/17/2010 8:43:30 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BlueMoose; ejonesie22

Another source ping! Lest anyone think these ideas are yours.

“However, historically there have been widespread differences of opinion among men equally committed to accepting the Bible as our God-given, inspired,...”

http://www.freepres.org/sep_details.asp?sep_baptism


68 posted on 02/17/2010 8:44:44 PM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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I have been told these widespread differences of opinion among “Christians” are all correct. How can so many differences all be correct ?


69 posted on 02/17/2010 8:55:07 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: reaganaut
Have I ever claimed the opinions of “christian” faiths to be mine.
70 posted on 02/17/2010 8:57:16 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Have I ever claimed the opinions of these “christian” faiths to be mine.

Correction

71 posted on 02/17/2010 8:59:23 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
What is the old saying about straining at a gnat...
72 posted on 02/17/2010 9:12:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: ejonesie22

What


73 posted on 02/17/2010 9:13:40 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
You were right the first time...
74 posted on 02/17/2010 9:13:47 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: BlueMoose

I guees it means something.


75 posted on 02/17/2010 9:15:11 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

what ever.


76 posted on 02/17/2010 9:16:49 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
You argue about minutiae instead of seeing the bigger picture. It is understandable since such is the training of the LDS. It takes thousands of details to hide a lie, and another thousand to attempt its defense.
77 posted on 02/17/2010 9:18:13 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: SZonian

“Saundra, do you believe that a mortal can become a god?”

We are joint heirs with Jesus Christ. Hallelujah!!


78 posted on 02/17/2010 9:23:08 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

“But the Jesus of the Christian Bible wants you come out of mormonism and to be born again and be a Christian...”

I am washed in the Blood of the Lamb. Jesus Christ is everything to me. The Atonement. What a great Plan of Salvation. Hooray!!


79 posted on 02/17/2010 9:24:41 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: ejonesie22
Now that isn't understandable. ALL THE ““CHRISTIAN’ faiths have different opinions. What could I be hiding ?

I find many opinions can they all be correct with so many contradictions ?

80 posted on 02/17/2010 9:25:01 PM PST by BlueMoose
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