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To: editor-surveyor
Peter was our first Pope. He died in Rome, and there have historically been an unbroken lineage of Pope's since.

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Mt 16:18-19)

Lutherans, who are very similar to catholics, and the first to leave the church, didn't come about until the 1700's. When was your church founded?

627 posted on 02/18/2010 2:53:05 PM PST by mgist
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To: mgist; editor-surveyor; RnMomof7; HarleyD; wmfights
Christ is the Rock upon which the church is founded, seeing as how it was present in the wilderness, long before Peter was born.

.Using your analogy and hermeneutics, this lame man is the cornerstone of the church, as well as our savior.

Acts 4

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11T his is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

634 posted on 02/18/2010 2:59:58 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: mgist

You deliberately pervert God’s word?

The rock on which christ built the church (not the pagan human roman apostasy) was Christ himself. That is the plain meaning of the words. Peter was not “rock,” but hard stone or pebble. He gave the keys to all of his elect.

There have only been “Popes” since the Roman Apostasy was founded. There is no pope in the church of Jesus Christ.

My church was founded on the day that Jesus Christ conquered death, almost 400 years before the Roman Catholic church came along.


640 posted on 02/18/2010 3:05:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: mgist; editor-surveyor
Peter was our first Pope. He died in Rome, and there have historically been an unbroken lineage of Pope's since.

" It is certain that Saint Paul had preached at Rome, and he was probably put to death there about 67 during the reign of Nero. It seems likely, as well, that Saint Peter had visited Rome and had also been martyred there. About Peter's actual position at Rome, however, and about the position of the early Roman bishops, the historical record is silent. What is unquestioned is that by the 3d century the Roman bishops were representing themselves as having succeeded to the primacy that Peter had enjoyed among the apostles and as wielding within the universal church a primacy of authority in doctrinal matters."LINK

There is no clear historic record of Peter as bishop of Rome..

Church Fathers Cyprian, Origen, Cyril, Hilary, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine,did not apply the "thou are Peter" verse to mean Peter was the pope . .

738 posted on 02/18/2010 4:48:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
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