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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg
“Blue Duncan doesn’t go by the text of it, characteristically for Protestants’ fear and disdain for the Holy Scripture as written.”

What I quoted is the way it is written. Mary was no mediator, at most she was a concerned invitee and pointing out an embarrassing situation. She did not know Jesus had any extraordinary power to miraculously turn water into wine so she could not be asking for a miracle. At most she was looking for the political messiah that was the hope of all Jewish women.

After the wedding feast at the beginning of his ministry there are only two times in all of the gospels where Mary is mentioned in proximity to Jesus; when she and his brothers tried to pull rank on those listening to his teaching and at the cross. The first incident Jesus didn't acknowledge her but simply said those that followed him were his mother and brethren. After the cross she is not mentioned until in the upper room after the ascension. She is not among those who ministered to him during his ministry and was not among those who were at the tomb for the burial protocols nor is she mentioned at any of the appearances before the ascension or at the ascension.

What Mary gave to him died when he died; nothing of hers survived his grave. His human spirit was given to him at conception by the Father and he always had his divine spirit. The Father raised him from the dead and gave him a glorified body and the exalted position he now has. That is the scripture; not some fanciful extra-canonical fiction.

The apostles are mentioned as having special places in heaven and believers are mentioned as having special places in heaven. But the scriptures are silent as to Mary. One would think that at least John, the one who was entrusted with her welfare at the cross, would have mentioned her in Revelation as having an exalted position along with the elders and those worshiping the Lamb and yet he is silent.

Mary's position now is no different than it was while Jesus was on earth. Mark 3:34, “And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!”

449 posted on 02/17/2010 9:16:58 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
After the wedding feast at the beginning of his ministry there are only two times in all of the gospels where Mary is mentioned in proximity to Jesus; when she and his brothers tried to pull rank on those listening to his teaching and at the cross. The first incident Jesus didn't acknowledge her but simply said those that followed him were his mother and brethren. After the cross she is not mentioned until in the upper room after the ascension. She is not among those who ministered to him during his ministry and was not among those who were at the tomb for the burial protocols nor is she mentioned at any of the appearances before the ascension or at the ascension.

What Mary gave to him died when he died; nothing of hers survived his grave. His human spirit was given to him at conception by the Father and he always had his divine spirit. The Father raised him from the dead and gave him a glorified body and the exalted position he now has. That is the scripture; not some fanciful extra-canonical fiction.

AMEN!

God willing, our Roman Catholic FRiends will be able to see the Scriptural truth of your post and shed the idolatry that is Rome's unseemly elevation of a nice Jewish girl to "co-redeemer."

455 posted on 02/17/2010 11:26:46 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg
Mary was no mediator, at most she was a concerned invitee and pointing out an embarrassing situation. She did not know Jesus had any extraordinary power

You don't know that. You know that she in fact, materially, mediated to her Son, and His ministry started then. This is how the Evangelist tells it. If he knew what you imagine to be a fact, for a fact, he would tell us, especially if, as your Bible Alone superstition goes, the Bible were the container of everything that we need to know for salvation, and here, so many read this passage and see intercession of saints in it, and so pray to Mary, and you got it in your head that that is so horribly wrong.

After the wedding feast at the beginning of his ministry there are only two times in all of the gospels where Mary is mentioned in proximity to Jesus; when she and his brothers tried to pull rank on those listening to his teaching and at the cross. The first incident Jesus didn't acknowledge her but simply said those that followed him were his mother and brethren. After the cross she is not mentioned until in the upper room after the ascension. She is not among those who ministered to him during his ministry and was not among those who were at the tomb for the burial protocols nor is she mentioned at any of the appearances before the ascension or at the ascension

So let's count them. Arithmetic is a belief we have in common. 1 and 2: Mary is with Jesus, at a difficult time, where He likens all of faith to her, and explains that her physical motherhood "paps that gave Thee suck" is less important than her faith and ours. Important lesson. 3: the Cross itself, where her universal motherhood is revealed. 4: the Upper Room. 5: the Pentecost (the Evangelist stresses that all mentioned in the Upper room were still there). 6: Acts 12, fighting Satan and your calumnies.

yet he is silent

Acts 12. Please tell me the Mother of Christ is not Mary, so I can make fun of you some more.

497 posted on 02/18/2010 6:08:23 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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